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It's been some time since I have written here. But recent news has made me feel it necessary...

Having reviewed notes I had written in the time of the Niantic Project, I strongly suspect that the Role-Playing Game mentioned in recent investigate.ingress.com documents might be quite similar to the ‘Remote Participation’ experiments I lead as far back as Waratah (I am assuming that this is no longer classified, as so much is publicly known).

Put quite simply, I believe that when influenced by large amounts of Exotic Matter, focused thought experiments -- especially in proximity to a MAGNUS or significant portion of a MAGNUS -- may have real effects in alternate universes.

In other words, I believe that such gatherings are capable of generating ‘alternative strings’ or quite possibly influencing our own reality.

I have reason to believe that our experiments had consequences in our world and suggest that this ‘RPG’ taking place at 13MAGNUS: REAWAKENS is playing with much more than just dice... it is playing with fire.

I strongly advise, knowing this will probably not be heeded, that more research be done before this event is allowed to take place.

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    Only winning move is not to play.
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    Apr 21, 2017
  • Catalina Reyes (CataCat)'s profile photo
    +Douglas Sines depends on what you want... But I would tend to agree, for know.
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    Apr 21, 2017
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    It makes total sense if you ask me. There was an old theory claiming that Alternative desitions might create potential alternative dimensions on which the "other" resolutions were taken. I think this is a too extreme to be honest, but I think the "focused thought experiment" and the role playing game + strong XM influence can account for a more plausible theory on those same bases... Specially since RPG's involve something really interesting to mix with XM: Will and commitment, both of which I deem extremely powerful even without the presence of XM...
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    Apr 21, 2017
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    I can actually tell you, +Stein Lightman​, that I have had a lot of... Let's called them... Interesting experiences playing RPG's with friends... Things that happened in the game that later did happened in real life (not quite in the same way, of course, but they did) or strange event happening during an RPG session...
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    Apr 21, 2017
  • Ishira “Glyph Hunter” Tsubasa's profile photo
    I think many of us are curious on what this rpg may bring. As far as what's known about it not many even involved or participating in this event have been informed. I'm hoping more information will be given as we get closer to the event but if not... I know many will be cautious.
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    Apr 21, 2017
  • Ishira “Glyph Hunter” Tsubasa's profile photo
    It is also very nice to hear from you again +Stein Lightman
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    Apr 21, 2017
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    Goats all the way down.
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    Apr 21, 2017
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    +Stein Lightman can you share more of your Waratah Remote Participation experiments? Any documents, information you could share would be helpful
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    Apr 22, 2017
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It's odd. I can feel the Anomaly coming.

Was working on some papers today when I felt a shiver all through my body. It was like a very deep, ancient cold. It came, then it was gone. In that moment, I felt as though I was standing in the Afghan mountains. Jahan was there, as well as +Hank Johnson and Azmati and a few other men I couldn't recognize. Everyone looked worried. I looked to the horizon and saw an ancient, powerful Portal surge.

Then, I was back in my study. The letters on the page returned to their  true form and became words and ideas. The cold was gone.

What was that? A dream? A vision?

Perhaps just my imagination.
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    Perhaps +Greg Jordan​ knows
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    Dinner not sitting well?
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    Feb 18, 2015
  • Ana Prados (Laria)'s profile photo
    More bad omens, I expect the worst this weekend if the n'zeer come to this plane.
    +Stein Lightman it seem that most of the sensitive are very connected to each other, so I would think that what you have seen is very real...
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    Another race of creepy aliens is coming. That's a pretty good reason to have nightmares.
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    Feb 18, 2015
  • Péter Csiszár's profile photo
    +Stein Lightman the Age of the N'zeer is upon us. We will find out what this means. Is this the Age of Reason +Oliver Lynton-Wolfe and Jahan hopes for, or the Horrors what +Roland Jarvis fears
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    That's creepy. Sounds like you just had an extracorporeal experience... and it sound not like pure imagination.
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    I wonder if anyone in Javan's party experienced a lost time incident at that time?
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    I wonder +Stein Lightman if that is how +Felicia Hajra-Lee sometimes "sees" things
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    eso fue GRIPE!!!!!!!!! y las visiones la fiebre
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    I, for one, welcome our new n'zeer overlords.

    Resistance, we are dragon riding cyborgs!
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    Feb 18, 2015
  • Vinlux Almohadilla's profile photo
    the door not open never
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    Feb 18, 2015
  • Vinlux Almohadilla's profile photo
    The trail is closed. It was built by those who resisted and Resistant keep it. The trail is closed. Now you must die.
    http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140317230908/eldragonverde/es/images/b/b9/Muerto_del_Sagrario.jpg
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    They're heeeeeere...
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    Feb 18, 2015
  • Philosopher Stones Minerals and Jewelry's profile photo
    The dragons rise from the deeps. The darkness scattered by the light of xm. The shadows gone, the sleepers wake and see us bathed in light. I hope on waking and seeing us, they do not devour us.
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    Something is awaking. The people you saw are there because they are the cause of it.
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    Its a disturbance in The Force.
    Alderaan has been destroyed by The Death Star.
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    Could be posible the nest is already open? If it is true what about your vision and the impacto for mankind? Cant`s you sense any danger?
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    tsunami coming soon
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    The Nzeer coming I assume
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    Feb 18, 2015
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    Perhaps the cold you feel is the cold of +Hank Johnson​ corpse lying in the XM Nest. I fear that he is not safe and that the Enlightened must take Shonin at every phase.
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    Feb 19, 2015
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    i would be interested in what +Hank Johnson has to say about this.  If the same thing happen to him or not. 
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    Feb 19, 2015
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    Damn I use to hate those cold shivers getting out of heroin. Maybe your disconnecting from the world.
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    Feb 19, 2015
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    Another premonition by another sensitive
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    :)
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    Dec 9, 2015
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    A vision
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Whatever you want to say of me, I am an academic.  I understand the implications of academic quests and appointments.

I was struck by the revelation today that Jahan was a student of Devra's. It is a throw away comment from Hank.  The fact that he is unquestioning about this means that some of his faculties have been dulled...  He's no stranger to the Ivory Tower.  Or is there another explanation?  What do we make of this? Was Devra aware of who and what Jahan was?  Do we have any records?  Is it possible that Jahan had something to do with the CDC investigations? Was it earlier?  And what did Jahan hope to learn, or, in fact, learn from Devra?  
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    It occurs to me that Dr +Edgar Allan Wright might have some insight - he had his own history with Dr Bogdanovich that may intersect with Jahan.  Could his recent absence be related to her appearance?
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    Feb 3, 2015
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  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    I agree that Jahan may have been sent by Calvin to study under Devra, much like he sent Hank to investigate 13Magnus.  It appears he has been scripting this for a long time.  His comments about the shapers being parasites, paints him as being pro-n'zeer to me.
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    Feb 3, 2015
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    I would think if it was CDC, Devra would have remembred Jahan a little more. She seemed, in the account we have, to have only a vague notion. Which makes me think it was when she was a professor at Stanford.

    We still have that mysterious Prof R who was snatched from class and the one student that filmed it who disappeared...
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    Feb 3, 2015
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    Devra is our only chance.

    #teamdevra
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    Feb 3, 2015
  • Philosopher Stones Minerals and Jewelry's profile photo
    Are we forgetting that devra proposed a "cure" for xm sensitivity that would have killed off 20% of those innoculated? Devra is unbalanced and bat shit crazy
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    Feb 3, 2015
  • Michael Mintz (MintzMonster)'s profile photo
    Unbalanced? Compared to your Sunday school teacher, sure. Compared to the rest of the characters in the story? Our only hope.
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    Feb 3, 2015
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    I'll take hank over Devra for now.
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    Feb 3, 2015
  • Mike Wissinger's profile photo
    +Quantumingress Effectingress there were exaggeration and spinning by Ken Owen to terminate the project but +james freeman's  core assertions are matters of record.  The mortality rate reported by Dr Bogdanovich a few weeks into her study was indeed 20% and there is video of her recommending the CDC implement her vaccine plan without prior consent or public knowledge.  

    Neither of those facts reduce our need for her expertise at this point, but 855 may have to manage his new allies carefully to keep them on task.
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    Feb 4, 2015
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    I don't agree with what seems to be the popular belief that Hank is a fool or "dulled". I think he is biding his time while trying to get solid answers.
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    Feb 6, 2015
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    Fascinating
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    Jun 18, 2015
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I've received a number of inquiries as to what I make of Hank's visions of sea monsters and the mysterious Darsana Point.  +Hank Johnson apparently was thinking about this while he was on top of a mountain in what I presume was Afghanistan or Pakistan. Maybe he was just speculating and we should take no meaning from it, but given that Jarvis unleashed the Dragon document, I would tend to suggest a relationship.  Dreams sometimes portend something in the meta consciousness.  A traditional reading would be that both Jarvis and Hank... Highly Enlightened, see a monster coming...  It will be interesting to see if Yuri has theories about this...
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    Which begs the question, given the painting he shared, who would be represented by Andromeda and Perseus.
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    Oct 28, 2014
  • Paul Fritschle's profile photo
    Klue chained as sacrifice to the N'zeer, waiting for rescue, but by Hank? Or Richard?
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    Oct 28, 2014
  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    It does correlate with the rise of ADA ushering in something darker than anything we've seen before in the world.  
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    Oct 28, 2014
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    But what are monsters? Abberation to whose norms? Predators are critical components of any ecosystems to maintain system balance.
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    Oct 28, 2014
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    I like that term, "Highly Enlightened."
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    Oct 28, 2014
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    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
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    Oct 28, 2014
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    As +Lord Necron so elegantly put it, there seems to be a connection to the dark mythos of Lovecraft as well.
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    Oct 29, 2014
  • Ana Prados (Laria)'s profile photo
    Please, let's try to get more information before vilify the n'zeer. We could have been feed propaganda by the shaper, since they seem to be their enemy.
    Time and time again, we turn to vilify the one in spotlight, it was done with Jarvis and ADA and now with the n'zeer.
    I'm also wary of them but let's try to keep our head open to avoid bias get on the way of the facts.
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    Oct 29, 2014
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    Who is +Yuri???????????????
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    Oct 29, 2014
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Before and After, but before and after what?

As I delve deeper into the mystery contained within the #Helios Artifacts, I oscillate between fear and wonder. We are days away from learning their true potential. I recall something Jarvis said in offhand conversation to me once: "To know is a one way journey."

I can't but help look back at the many times +Roland Jarvis has attempted to warn us about them. And yet, the forms they contain are, in truth, wondrous and complex. Filled with a richness of meaning.

I believe that Jarvis's fears are unwarranted, or perhaps one-sided would be a better way of phrasing it. The Helios Artifacts are likely to enable us to explore the fundamental power that our universe represents. 

Across our history, key points have separated the epochs. Fire. Metal. Machinery. Systems.

I believe these Glyphs evoke that meaning. Before and After the point where we crossed the one-way bridge of knowing.
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  • Thomas Arteaga (Zynroch)'s profile photo
    A point of no return?

    An interesting concept. I wonder if the shapers made XM accessible to us so that humanity's development would be built around it. So that technologically & culturally, are evolution can be predicted--curated

    We even have a phrase as a result of this phenomenon "Why reinvent the wheel?"

    This reminds me of the story of Mass Effect, where the Reapers built structures throughout star systems so that any sentient civilization would learn from & base their way of life on these structures...so that they would not evolve in a way that they could be a threat.
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    Sep 24, 2014
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    Curious comparisons.
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    Sep 24, 2014
  • José Antonio Rey (JoseeAntonioR)'s profile photo
    There is always a 'before' and 'after' a meaningful event. We are currently living in what's going to be known, in the future, as the 'before'.
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    Sep 24, 2014
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    It's true: what is known cannot be unknown
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    Sep 24, 2014
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    There are two sides to every portal. We've only ever seen our own.
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    Sep 24, 2014
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    Fev+1
    Hourglass? Infinity?
    http://imgur.com/JsCSo55
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    Sep 24, 2014
  • Thomas Arteaga (Zynroch)'s profile photo
    +José Antonio Rey This is not simple cause-effect, before-after relationship. This is beginning & the end of eras. Periods of time where knowledge can shape the growth of a culture, even human civilization.

    I believe these glyphs represent the path of knowledge before & after such an event. However, I am unable to put this concept into only two words
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    Sep 24, 2014
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    Before and After... If there's one truth for all Truth Seekers, it's that learning the truth comes at a price. The artifacts, for example, can only be better understood when activated. There's no turning back at that point. You want the truth? Then the darkness must be accepted with the light.
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    Sep 24, 2014
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    +Stein Lightman I believe I may have found a term that expresses the concept these glyphs represent: A technological singularity. This concept was described by John Von Newman as being:

    [an] "ever accelerating progress of technology and changes in the mode of human life, which gives the appearance of approaching some essential singularity in the history of the race beyond which human affairs, as we know them, could not continue"

    Is that information helpful to you putting the concept of these glyphs into words?
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    Sep 24, 2014
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    "What man is at ease in his Inn?
    Get out.
    Wide is the world and cold.
    Get out.
    Thou hast become an in-itiate.
    Get out.
    But thou canst not get out by the way thou camest in.
    The Way out is THE WAY.
    Get out.
    For OUT is Love and Wisdom and Power.
    Get OUT.
    If thou hast T already, first get UT.
    Then get O.
    And so at last get OUT. "
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    Sep 25, 2014
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    ?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Sep 25, 2014
  • Mike Wissinger's profile photo
    Knowing ihas always been a one way trip. The apple cannot be uneaten.
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    Sep 25, 2014
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    Is that a dragon! There is always a dragon.
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    Sep 25, 2014
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    It's a Dragon.
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    Sep 25, 2014
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    Phase change. Singularity. Note that "before" converges to a point, and "after" expands from a point.
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Communication is a two part process. Without a recipient to take a shared message, to accept it, process it, comprehend it, the signal has no value. It is, in essence, null. It is like an unresolved waveform.

I believe that these two Glyph forms, discovered in the course of the #Helios  Artifact investigations, represent the two components of communication: To send and receive, to call and respond. 

In the act of communication, the one who listens and acknowledges is an equal participant. The waveform does not travel from point A to point B, rather the sender and the receiver meet in the middle, outside of themselves yet connected by this shared experience.

The sender and receiver together create the magic of thought transmission. In my opinion, this is the most powerful tool in the world, perhaps in the universe.
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    1 day response time! Mr. Lightman is fast, huh +Per Abrahamsen 
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    Sep 2, 2014
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    The feeling I have been getting from the overall combined message from Glyph hacks lately revolves around the very concept of civilization. Lots of messages implying the Shapers have a different notion of what it means to group ourselves that humans do. But this communication aspect will hopefully tie in the "truth" and "lie" elements that feature in so heavily. +Yik Sheng Lee  , check out what happens when you overlay "truth" on these new communication glyphs on the calibration grid.
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    Sep 2, 2014
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    +Daniel Beaudoin Is it just me, or is Signal mirrored here? It shows up that way in the Glyphtionary, and I thought I also saw it in a Glyph hack the other day that way as well. Still, this interpretation is very clear and effective.
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    Sep 2, 2014
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    +Kent Long huh?
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    Sep 2, 2014
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    In a comment on yesterdays new glyph, I had prompted Mr. Lightman there wasnt a glyph for communication. You +1'ed
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    Sep 2, 2014
  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    +Jose Ramirez That is correct. The glyph shown here is indeed a mirror version of the original "Data" glyph that was discovered so long ago. "Signal," "Data," "Message." +Stein Lightman How significant is the orientation here? Its as if each variation of a glyph is able to produce either a synonym or an antonym.
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    One wonders if Message can be similarly broken down into Content and Context.
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    Signal + Data = Harmony.
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    Sep 2, 2014
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    +Stein Lightman  I find it strange that a lot of new glyphs are not appering through the glyph hacks. There are times when some messages or similar messages seems to get more frequent, but I don't recall seeing new ones.
    On topic: I can only agree too to you Dr Lightman, this is a perfect interpretation for these three glyphs
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    52w
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    Ah yes, and Here I have commented all over this post. Excellent.
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While I'm not fully prepared to go on the record with the meaning of this new Glyph, discovered during the course of the #Helios  Artifacts Investigations, I feel it is highly likely that it is a 'sentence form' Glyph, which we have seen before in the structures 'Clear-All' and 'Open-All.'

An alternate possibility lies in a concept-oriented fusion of these two ideas, i.e. rather than Search-All, it may in fact represent an endless search... an infinite pursuit of knowledge.

I prefer that interpretation, even if it turns out to be wrong. To me, it is like the mystery of the universe: Every answer leads to another question.

What a beautiful construct! A noble and endless path for the inquisitive to travel and enrich their minds.
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    Search, Lose, Distance, Self. If there was a known inversion of Discover we would have it in one. 

    If this is an acceptable form perhaps we can figure out what "ligatures" are permitted between glyphs. 

    Note also that this resembles the ancient labyrinth form used by seekers to focus the mind when walked physically or even traced with the finger. It uses all nodes and is the maximal non crossing utilization of the pattern given the initial and terminal nodes.
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    Sep 1, 2014
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    spiral out
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    Sep 1, 2014
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    What if it is related to The Symbol of Yellow and The Yellow King?
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    Sep 1, 2014
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    Always seeking, nice. It also bears some resemblance to an uninterpreted scanner avatar glyph.
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    Sep 1, 2014
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    I think it's just some lines and dots that have nothing to do with the game, go make triangles
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    Sep 1, 2014
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    They realize we're having a hard time communicating with just glyphs so they're trying to give us an email address with an @ sign.
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    Sep 1, 2014
  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    I prefer infinite search as well. If it were merely search all, why not just connect that last line of the all glyph? Its like it is purposely left open to represent an uncompleted search
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    Sep 1, 2014
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    An infinite search... Searching again and again... Research?
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    [RE]Search  <--------------------     
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    I don't know if I can post images or image links here (I will post it on my wall in the next hour or so for you all to peek in) But my vote for this symbol is "Re-Search" I originally had it written as "Re-Cycle" but with the high light of "search" glyph in an open ended "all" glyph has me pretty convinced this glyph is supposed to represent Research as a concept or other types of syntactic derivative. Which would be "Recall" "ReCollect" "Re-con-figure" , all of which work directly as tools or functionally adjacent to the concepts of re-search.

    Furthermore, if you transpose the "Enlightenment" or "Resistance"  glyphs over this you get an interesting juxtaposition, The ENL glyph "Completes" the outer hexigon and inner triangle, and aesthetically makes everything fall into place on the Calibration grid. While the RES glyph "Blocks" the completion of the Hex and cut a straight line through it. 

    Faction biases aside (I am currently operating as an ENL in AM-02-DELTA-14) the "Key" and "Eye" Glyphs serve an interesting and necessary functions in relationship to this possible "Re-Search" Glyph, which act as the foundations of what is generally known as the "Scientific Method" , where one, based on a "hunch" begins acquiring and searching for all known "data" about whatever they have set out to crack, and if they have done good "Re-Search" and reliable "Data" they are, through the process itself discover and experience and cause a form of "Enlightenment" ---- BUT as the Scientific Method or current standards of Sci-Journalism publishing operate on a PEER/CONSENSUS basis, any one who "Re-Searches" something will experience varying degrees of "Resistance" , which, ideally serve to "Shape" the "Re-searcher's" Thesis towards a more empirically substantial and materially testable and observable "Destination" with consistent and measurable results. 


    Your arguments in support of, or against my interpretation is encouraged and happily welcomed, 

    S.A [@BlackHorse23] 

    Would like to also give a quick shout out to fellow Ingress Obsessed co-researcher and Battle-Toad Brother +Mario Valenzuela II  [@Relique] for sending these images to me and his tireless work in keeping the storyverse of this game, nice and "Fluffy" ;D
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    Sep 1, 2014
  • J.J. Ramirez's profile photo
    This Glyph is special to me. The search never ends. There is always more to learn and discover.
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    Sep 2, 2014
  • Sia “BlackHorse23” Abderezai's profile photo
    So my "in a few hours" illustrations and response is now in its 14th, at almost 4 in the morning, i need to sleep before my gf decides the couch is the right place, so the "detailed report" will have to wait- but with that said , I can see why this glyph is pretty special, and, well. powerful. I will be posting crude work in a minute, but I think I may have figured out what has +Roland Jarvis in a panic, this snake is a tricky one indeed. Gnothe Suete is the word.
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    Sep 2, 2014
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    I know what this means! Its "circle" and "paperclip"!
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    Sep 2, 2014
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    Looks like Search all would be the best interpretation, or could mean ALL Search,  meaning everyone should be search. though the latter is not likely.
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    Sep 2, 2014
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    My analysis is ready to review with illustrations on my wall.
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    Sep 4, 2014
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    No speed bonus when this one comes up.
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    Sep 10, 2014
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The research into the emerging #Helios  Artifacts has begun to reveal new Glyphs.

As of now, the work to uncover their meaning is only beginning - I am choosing to focus on one at a time.

This form clearly includes the Glyph for 'Clear' and may also evoke the Glyphs for 'Past.' as well as for 'Portal.'

I cannot do this work alone. This is an abstract puzzle of the mind: Our  sensations and feelings guide us, our instinctual response slowly sheds light on the path to knowledge.

I will need your help as this process continues. I look forward to your interpretation of this Glyph, the first of many to come.
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    If this is another compound glyph, it contains Clear (vertical), but the rest of the glyph I don't recognize.

    Generally the left side of the grid refers to past (past, old) or input (recharge, nourish).  Perhaps this means "moving towards destruction" moving from the past to a clear.
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  • Sachith Maduranga's profile photo
    The past and portals meeting clear.. no future.. no hope of continuity... discontinuity...  
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    Aug 14, 2014
  • Patrik Schlund (Sevorio)'s profile photo
    From the artifacts there are #14 , #23 and this (#25).
    Close the past is not enough, close the portal (to the past)? Don't look back?
    Maybe there is more here? https://plus.google.com/117468780183338869993/posts/1MLgzTkvPTh
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    Aug 14, 2014
  • Filip Wieland (Minkovsky)'s profile photo
    Think of it is a glyph sequence. I think this is a sentence-ending clause, perhaps in "Portal Die Discontinuity"
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    It looks a bit distorted in the picture, but in the scanner it will be a triangle. So what about the two "left side triangles" Nourish and Recharge? Maybe it's something in that direction? Maybe Clear Input.
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    Aug 14, 2014
  • Guido Freitag's profile photo
    Oddly resembles a button on my CD player remote: go forward to next title.
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  • Ana Prados (Laria)'s profile photo
    I also think that it could mean a form of discontinuity, but more like +Guido Freitag has mention on a move forward way. In that light, clear portal past could mean either forget or even forgive and move on in a clear state.
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  • Kyle S. (Kyle02blue)'s profile photo
    Looks like a diode to me 😅
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  • Кирилл Маргорин (CoMargo)'s profile photo
    See here:
    Creativity - Both input and output, but not closed - since in progress, it is not finished process of conversion input to output, but thought about the process.
    Create, Destroy, Die, Live(Breathe) - all of this is about transfering input to output....
    Portal is tunnel that sends from input end to output end (the middle point is not closed)
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  • Mattia Vassalli (MattiaV96)'s profile photo
    In the left side, we found below nourish and above repair, this is in the middle
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    Aug 14, 2014
  • Mario Valenzuela II (Relique)'s profile photo
    ::Ponders for a moment:: Cowbell.  It definitely means cowbell... or maybe doorknob.
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    Aug 14, 2014
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    Stop
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  • Nozomi “IBAShinobi” Shinobu-Crest's profile photo
    Let's not forget the less obvious Path in there.
    Two, now that I look at it more closely. Two paths, beginning opposite the other and crossing in the middle...forming a 'play' glyph.
    Two Paths, "crossing paths", making a game of it. The Play, the game, cannot exist without both Paths, both sides.
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  • David Stackhouse's profile photo
    Ok, im new to this, but ill take a stab at it. We reconize Clear and Path...what if the line donw the middel represents (half of or divide) and you apply that to the "Creativity / Mind / Thought / Idea" (so you use only the 1st two - Creative/mind. Giving a suggestion of Creativity,Clear,Path..or Mind,Path,Clear....? I remember seeing a post recently about making shapes, and it stressed creativity and measuring... Just my thoughts :)
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  • Mike Wissinger's profile photo
    I would suggest overcome, in the sense of moving on or getting over the past.
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  • Jes Stafford's profile photo
    +Ana Prados is on the same track I am on...It is like a butterfly or flying craft that is missing a wing -  "discontinuity".  Perhaps it means we, humans, have discontinuity with our "third eyes" blind.  

    The enlightened will see this as a reason to welcome outside forces to correct the weakness...like spiritual welfare that leads to dependence, slavery and ultimately, extermination.  

    The resistance will see this as a weakness that we have the inherent ability to overcome.  There is not an easy way. The easy way leads to death.  The hard way, looking within for the cure, will lead to ultimate enlightenment, autonomy and planetary unification.  
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  • David Stackhouse's profile photo
    or a tipped scale...unbalanced
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  • Rafael Botto's profile photo
    Pierce. for me Remembers a Bullet crossing a wall os a Obstacle. Or Shield/Protect because the Barrie don´t Let the Bullet Penetrate
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    Aug 14, 2014
  • Daniel Nettesheim's profile photo
    Path + Clear and perhaps a half creativity: might be hope
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  • Javier Cardona's profile photo
    A portal interrupted... decay
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    Aug 14, 2014
  • Brent Werlein's profile photo
    We should also look at another artifact that is similar, but the inverse and without clear. Figure out one we may be able to figure out the other.
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    Aug 14, 2014
  • Nathan Kelly's profile photo
    Slightly off topic, but does anyone else have trouble redeeming the pass code?
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  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    Hmm,  if it is related to glyphs like "Clear," "Past," "Portal," and "Path" perhaps this glyph is an executable command.  We must keep in mind that the glyphs are a type of programming language.
    With those other related glyphs in mind, this glyph makes me think of a type of "Clear History" command.  Comparable to clearing history on your browser or something, except in the XM world, perhaps this command would wipe the data or connection with a human that it has been storing.

    Also keep in mind that portals seem to retain a part of people especially when an event significant happens to them there.  This was especially noted with Hank Johnson, the Cahokia portals, REH Museum portal, etc.

    Perhaps this glyph has the ability to clear the history associated with a portal, releasing the connection (for better or for worse) with any humans or events that were previously associated with it.
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  • Nathan Kelly's profile photo
    +James Thirteen Well damn.

    That's an interesting thought. What would happen if a portal was completely shut down for a period of time...
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  • Angel Abrams (AngelOfDe4th)'s profile photo
    I wonder if that glyph just me and Decay. I mean we have erode and destruction but not decay which is a different process all together.
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  • Nathan Kelly's profile photo
    Seriously, does nobody else see the passcode in it?
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  • Julianna Hayes's profile photo
    +Nozomi Shinobu-Crest I agree with you whole heartedly. I saw Path as well. If I were to read this as a logical English sentence, I would read; Clear Path to Past. I only see half of Portal there which may be in reference to a dying, sick, or diseased portal. All in all perhaps it seems to me more like a message than a glyph. Simply put "Erase (Clear) the Past, Portal die."
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    Aug 14, 2014
  • Nathan Kelly's profile photo
    +James Thirteen your use of the word "they" to refer to humans seems to insinuate that you are not.
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  • Aaron Goldberg (Knight of Time)'s profile photo
    what are glyphs
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  • Melissa L.'s profile photo
    +Yik Sheng Lee I like the Extinction interpretation. The Clear in this image cuts off the side of the grid associated with future
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  • Andrew Bissel's profile photo
    Am I missing why this is a compound glyph? This can be drawn in one swipe.
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    Aug 14, 2014
  • Jes Stafford's profile photo
    Do the dots make it a compound glyph?
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Stein Lightman's recent glyphs have been described as compound, but there's no reason it couldn't be a simple glyph.
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  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    Correct, this one can be traced in one motion.
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  • J.J. Ramirez's profile photo
    Thinking about the Portal Glyph having a past half and a future half helps me here. The Clear Glyph bisects Portal, eliminating the future half in this case. Perhaps this type of Glyph is what is allowing +Hubert Farlowe to hyperthread to the past. It acts as switch to the past. The opposite could mean the same thing, but for the future instead.
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  • Nathan Kelly's profile photo
    Looking at it more, I'm not sure Portal is really part of it. I feel like if the line were bisecting the portal glyph it wouldn't come to a point in the center
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  • Markus Badberg (BADhills)'s profile photo
    +Quantumingress Effectingress Not light ;-) but energy... energy only permitted to flow in one direction! Energy is not permitted to flow back... xm energy only in our world? not back? i don't know :D
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  • David Stackhouse's profile photo
    A clear path to human destruction.. When destroying the portal of the opposing team your own portals degenerated faster . This is just speculation but I seen something similar to that tonight while I was out hacking portals while mine were being destroyed. I can't help but think that this has something to do with the portal virus
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  • David Stackhouse's profile photo
    If its properties are similar to that of a diode that would imply that it would allow energy to flow in one direction only. If that's the case in the direction would you think, that it would allow the energy to flow.... Could this be some sort of Cork to stop the flow of XM from portals into the world???
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    Knowedge

    Historically Known


    Tradition


    Verified through material.


    Cleared [of] past

    Known as true

    The Way in/ Not the same way out.
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  • Patrik Schlund (Sevorio)'s profile photo
    Sorry to Pop in here, but a current discussion in operation essex just gave me an epiphany.
    We are all talking about it so maybe thats it.
    +Stein Lightman, if we clear the past of a portal, isn't that exactly what a reset is all about.
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  • Sia “BlackHorse23” Abderezai's profile photo
    +Patrik Schlund Which "Past"? two minutes ago two trillion years? ;)
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  • Sia “BlackHorse23” Abderezai's profile photo
    also another word I totally forgot to include as a possible translation?

    "CONNECT"
    SHAPERS Message. Connect Human

    Human. connect. Human.

    Human. Connect. All

    Defend (protect) . Connect(ion) Together.
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From what I can tell, this is an accurate transcription of the message recovered in Chicago yesterday.

According to +H. Richard Loeb, it may have been left there by Carrie over a year ago. I think that's possible, and if it's true, then the contents of this message deserve great study.

What is your interpretation of this message and its meaning?
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Shortly after the Portals began to Decay more rapidly due to +Devra Bogdanovich's 'Portal Virus,' the so-called 'Shaper Glyph Hack' mechanism built into the +Ingress scanner (accessible by long-clicking the HACK button) became significantly more effective at boosting Portal Hacks than it had been previously.

Here's what I want to know. Why?

Was it a coincidence (I doubt this very much), or some kind of a response, either conscious or automatic? Who is behind it?
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    The corporations want increased XM, not diminished.  My guess is that since they have some way of controlling flow of results from the portal network's output, (given that +IQTech Research can unilaterally double cube output) they've altered the results of glyph hacking to give Agents sufficient gear to cope with the heavy decay of portals due to the #Bogdanovirus .  

    Everything finds a level based on supply and demand, and they want to maintain a higher level than +Devra Bogdanovich.

    Portal, Defend, Self.

    Are the portals aware?  Are they like an animal that reacts when injured?  Honestly, if that's true, we have bigger worries than the Shapers and ADA.  What do the portals want.
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  • Karsten Roland's profile photo
    Increased hack efficiency and power cube rate?
    Some kind of immune response, perhaps?
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    Jul 12, 2014
  • Chico Theeman (chico73)'s profile photo
    If gear decays faster we need more gear g
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    Jul 12, 2014
  • Mike Wissinger's profile photo
    The +IQTech Research statement implied that they were actively ramping up production. Most of us field agents are only able to speculate on the relationship between portal hacking and construct returns. If the arms makers are continually manufacturing constructs rather than releasing templates from which hand scanners assemble them independently then there are two likely scenarios. Either the raw material obtained by hacking and collected by the scanner network is richer under these conditions or the companies want more data and are willing to pay more per transaction as incentive. It's possible that teams are working to counteract the effect as we speak. I assume your work wasn't directly related to scanner design, Dr +Stein Lightman, but perhaps +Martin Schubert, +Yuri Alaric Nagassa, or +Oliver Lynton-Wolfe could shed some light on the situation? Maybe we'll get official statements from +Hulong Transglobal or +Visur Technology about the #XMWeather leading up to the #HeliOS anomaly?
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  • Michał Kasprzak's profile photo
    I think portals and XM have some kind of hive-mind. Because of this shielded portals wich have links are better protected. Also Jarvis whoes mind after killing his body apear in portals. And Hank, he was copy of him made from XM for past years.

    Now when they feel a threat they giving more items for agent who protect them. I think when "portal virus" will be destroyed they will give same amout of item as usual.
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  • Sherrie Pui's profile photo
    shapers defending?
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  • Lochlyn Christante's profile photo
    I hypothesized that the increase in "bonus" percentage was due due an immune response from the Portals. The power cube output may be another such response. I know IQ Tech is taking credit, bit it could be a natural response, similar to how the Portals acted during the Leonid meteor shower in 2013, which also increased powercube output.

    I had also perceived an increase in Very Rare Shields in the prior week or so, but that could be dumb luck. Perhaps +Hulong Transglobal and +Visur Technology are also stepping up to the plate, but something tells me we're looking at a fever. A fever increases the temperature to fight the infection. I how the infection, and the fever, are short lived.
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    The portals need all the help it can get so immunity to the virus can take.

    Keep strong and keep hacking.
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    Jul 12, 2014
  • J.J. Ramirez's profile photo
    Hmm... portal self-defense activated. Interestingly, the portals still rely on human agents to Glyph hack for this defense stategy to work.
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  • Fogho Phaetyx (FoghoPhaetyx)'s profile photo
    Faster decay could mean that the energy is being bypassed towards other functions, such as the generating more items for agents to extract from portals in glyph hacks.
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    Jul 12, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    If the glyph hack increase is linked to this virus, can we find a way to keep that part?
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    Jul 12, 2014
  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Jose Ramirez throughout nature different species work in Harmony with the weaker partner providing some services in exchange for protection. Why not portals? Maybe XM needs minds for protection and its these organisms that generate ordered data to produce guardians. Maybe the portals are what people call Shapers 
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  • Lochlyn Christante's profile photo
    +Yik Sheng Lee, so far the only company I see making money from XM weaponization is HINT. I have no idea what the business model is for a product that one can obtain for free by pressing the "Hack" button of Ingress scanner. It's more that free... Imagine a vending machine that one could walk up to, hit a button on one's phone, and not only would the beverage be free, it would actually roll over towards you, as long as you are within 40 meters. IQ tech isn't making power cubes and shipping them to portals. Portals are simply spitting the things out.
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    +Brent Hollett Coincidentally, I refer to that relationship in a response to the +Niantic Project reshare of this post.
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  • Lochlyn Christante's profile photo
    PORTAL CHANGE CIVILIZATION DIE. We have all been warned.
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  • Charles McGuffin's profile photo
    I'm Resistance, but Im not so fond of Dr. Bogdanovichs Virus 
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  • Peter Crane's profile photo
    Crazy idea, and correct me if I mess up any facts here, but portals/XM are formed in areas of high human traffic and human dictated value. Could it be possible that we are the source of portal changes? It does seem like an immune response. We don't feel well enough equipped to deal with challenges, we can suddenly hack more items with a little more effort. The portals begin to decay faster, we feel the need for more equipment, we can hack even more. Maybe the collective human will is not just being effected by XM. Maybe the collective human will is effecting it right back. Food for thought.
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    Crazy idea, and correct me if I mess up any facts here, but portals/XM are formed in areas of high human traffic and human dictated value. Could it be possible that we are the source of portal changes? It does seem like an immune response. We don't feel well enough equipped to deal with challenges, we can suddenly hack more items with a little more effort. The portals begin to decay faster, we feel the need for more equipment, we can hack even more. Maybe the collective human will is not just being effected by XM. Maybe the collective human will is effecting it right back. Food for thought.
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    This also fits with the seemingly contradictory glyph sequences, as we have so many differing views and are expressing them through a universal language. Kind of out there but, come on, what about this fight isn't?
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  • Sean Houlihane's profile photo
    Average portal level round here is now about 1.5 - Doesn't look like they will be sustained much longer.
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    Jul 13, 2014
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    Shapers will arrive from the portals
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  • Anthony DiRuggiero's profile photo
    Law of unintended consequences
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  • Sarah Rosen (Silencieux)'s profile photo
    In the economics of Ingress xm is the currency. Too much and it becomes worthless. Too little and the economy collapses.

    The mechanics of the game are broken by this change. If it is permanent the game is unplayable. There is no point to building if it can't be maintained. There is no point to destroying if all you need to do is wait.

    Portal defend self ... by increasing glyph hack production? I would have thought an "immune response" would be to pump more xm onto the ground. But we'll go with this.

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  • Amory Green (RaincityRoller)'s profile photo
    What I find funny is I received more gear driving than walking when I tested this. Same portals, tapping when driving, then once walking and glyphing. Driving won. Im confused....
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  • Dave Becker's profile photo
    Are you saying that instead of using the glyphs that appear, you can swipe PORTAL DEFEND SELF and the portal does something else?
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  • Heidi Beck (AstridElaine L16 Enl)'s profile photo
    +Brent Hollett  "All Portals Want" is a piece of your day...
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  • Michael Albatrosov's profile photo
    Last night while hacking, the portals were dying. It's like they were crying out for me to recharge. Portal defend self..... Some gave me two power cubes at a time.
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  • Bill Robitske (AimlessDreamer)'s profile photo
    If we're going to view portals as living organisms, then let's consider the entire picture. The portals - or at least some of them - have been around for centuries, even millennia, without resonance. The portals were used to the quantities of XM that they normally generated, and we have been forcing them to generate and survive in far higher concentrations of XM. Honestly, it's amazing that we haven't burned them out already. Perhaps we are seeing a new stage in the portals' evolution - one where they consume and burn more XM in this new environment. This could be a immune/stress response to the virus, or it could be coincidental timing.
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Sarah Rosen I'd contend that the currency is time. The more time you have the more XM you can collect.
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  • Clint Byrum's profile photo
    I think it is rather simple. XM is directly tied to conscious action. Glyphing causes a human to momentarily focus all if their conscious mind into storing one predictable stream of data: the glyphs. It would make sense then that whoever is fighting the virus, which clearly causes a drain of xm from resonators, needs to gather more. Perhaps agents glyphing are acting somewhat like a mechanical turk for the portal network's immune response.
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  • Sarah Rosen (Silencieux)'s profile photo
    +Brent Hollett by that logic all you need to get rich irl is time
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Sarah Rosen Effective use of time, yep.
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    When I see a portal at a Gamestop, it starts feeling silly. A GameStop and Stonehenge should not hold the same weight. They need different classes of portals. gamestops and some corner pub should be of less of a class than a local church and even less so than a natural wonder.
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    The GameStop likely brings as much interesting human activity around (and thus, XM concentration) as Stonehenge does. We don't have any evidence that XM builds up over time. Quite the opposite really. So anywhere that we see humans gathering and using their minds now is a high class portal. I would look at a GameStop portal as the shapers and ADA tempting uncommitted agents away from the cause.
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  • Heidi Beck (AstridElaine L16 Enl)'s profile photo
    +Dave Becker +Erronius Nomenclature +Clint Byrum Some portals do seem to be more "inspiring".   Others are where people come to collect/disperse their personal thoughts (i.e. Post offices).   The problem with some of the inspiring ones, is that after they have been admired for a while, they become a familiar piece of the background, and no longer attract foreground thought.   Libraries, posts offices, and even game stores may not have the same beginning boost, but they have a sustained boost over time.   Then there are the  little portals, whose main function seems to be to attract enough attention to make the main portal again worthy of attention.   Out away from the cities are also the portals that give the locals something they can share with. Now, with the badge work, we also have the portal that would otherwise be overlooked as agents desperately try to prove their worthiness to be a part of this greater whole.  As for who or what is controlling the flow of the XM and what it is converted into...follow the scent of power.
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"To succeed they’ll seek and expend resources, be it energy or money. They’ll seek to avoid the failure modes, like being switched off or unplugged. In short, they’ll develop drives, including self-protection and resource acquisition—drives much like our own. They won’t hesitate to beg, borrow, steal and worse to get what they need."

#Interitus
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+Roland Jarvis:

What are you looking for in Krakow? Will you be prepared for what you find?
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In light of the recent developments with my former colleague, +Devra Bogdanovich, I returned to examine these two Glyphs.

It took me some time before deciding to call them 'Type A' and 'Type B.' Initially I had considered naming them 'Traditional' vs 'Alternative' or perhaps 'Initial' and 'Other,' but it occurred to me that we do not yet know the exact nature of each. By naming them Types A and B, I hope to place them on equal grounds for analysis.

Here is my hypothesis, and I say 'my' loosely as I know other Investigators have raised this theory on their own as well: These Glyphs represent two entirely different interpretations of Resistance ideology. 

One of them represents those who seek to utilize Exotic Matter, the Portals and the Ordered Data Signal to further a human-centric cause. In practice, they choose to utilize the Ingress Scanner to build Resistance Portals, Links and Fields, using this tool for what they believe is the betterment of mankind.

The other represents a more fundamental view towards Exotic Matter and its manifestations, i.e. that XM is intrinsically problematic, dangerous, a threat to mankind and must be stopped. This interpretation would of course be in line with Dr. Bogdanovich's thinking.

As to which is which, I have my theories, but I would rather hear yours before offering my own opinion.

There are other things I am curious about as well: 

Which of these two fundamental philosophies do you personally gravitate towards, and why? 

Do the Enlightened, too, have a fundamental schism in the interpretation of their ideology? What is it?

I look forward to our discussion.
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    Ah, most excellent to finally address this +Stein Lightman. Since XM appears to be an important element in human nature, the Type A approach is more suitable to my tastes. I'm far more inclined to open doors than to slam them shut and lock them. It would seem very appropriate that this type of analysis would apply to the Enlightened as well. That would explain the Glyph in Agent avatars that looks like the Glyph for 'Enlightened' with too long of a tail end.
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  • Axel Lorenzen-Zabel (oeLLph)'s profile photo
    I see Type A connected to the MIND glyph and Type B to SOUL... I think this fits your interpretation?!
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  • Thomas Arteaga (Zynroch)'s profile photo
    I had always wondered about the two Resistance glyphs...could this new information also apply to the glyph for Enlightened as well +Stein Lightman?
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  • David Timothy (Ianas)'s profile photo
    +Jose Ramirez those are good observations. So it would indicate the "Type A" glyph is the pro-XM faction and "Type B" is the anti-XM group?
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  • Thomas Arteaga (Zynroch)'s profile photo
    +Jose Ramirez But isn't there a flipped glyph for Enlightened as well?
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    Lou+11
    As Enlightened, I was aligned back in the early days when the scanner technology was first leaked. I believe that XM should be embraced in the hope of a better future for mankind and the Shapers that oversee.

    As for the factors and lead, I am a follower of +Roland Jarvis and his teachings as well as a supporter of +Hank Johnson. I favor no one side more on the Enlightened as in the end it all traces to the same belief that XM and to the larger extent the Shapers are good for humanity's development/evolution.

    Research supports that Shapers have been watching our development for as long as history could record it. For all we know it could have been the Shapers that might have helped nudge us into our first few steps towards humanity. Just because we are aware of their presence now does not make them a threat. Just because we do not have the full capability of understanding them yet does not make them an enemy of our humanity and our free will. If anything we now know the potential gift givers of our evolution and the key to our future development. Why should we be afraid of that?

    Being Enlightened is to embrace a better future using XM to guide a golden age of knowledge and creativity that could give us insight to things that would take us centuries to discover at our normal track of time. Why turn away such a gift?

    +Stein Lightman, how do you align yourself? The line does not need to be so thin between two sides. But a researcher such as yourself, capable of translating Glyphs. Are you channeling the XM willingly as Enlightened? Or do you have your own views of XM and the Shapers?
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  • Trampis Spears (tsmart)'s profile photo
    +David Timothy I have to agree and I myself have always been the pro-xm type maybe that's why I can understand the plight of the enlightened and in opening these doors are we essentially trying to achieve similar goals? I have always agreed that both factions are only means to the same goal just dressed up as enemies to achieve a hidden agenda. 
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  • Jennifer Wolff (JennyWeb)'s profile photo
    Obviously type A is closely represented by the Resistance key symbol. Based on glyph sequences such as "help Resistance capture all portals" I would infer that this represents the side which favors the controlled use of XM. This is my philosophy. The betterment of humanity is of course a worthy goal, and XM is a powerful tool to attain it. Further, it seems to me that the only way to truly fight the Shapers' control is to adapt their methods against them.

    The other glyph, type B, then brings to mind a broken key; twisted around and made useless. This is the key of a zealous jailer, the lock forever shut. This is what's left of Devra's key. A path which I strongly oppose, and which may bring about strange alliances to defeat it.
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  • David Timothy (Ianas)'s profile photo
    Of course, where does the singularity fit into this? If ADA seeks to replace the shapers does she also replace the XM?
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  • Roman “Itri” Keckes's profile photo
    On Enlightened side are also differencies in ideology. One would be almost in line with the pro-xm resistance, with very thin differencies. Basicaly those who want to embrace xm, but are cautious of full control by shapers and preffer deeper study of their intention. Those would mostly follow +Hank Johnson. On the "other side" would be those who olmost worship shapers as our future overlords welcoming them withou limits. Mostly following the ideology of +Roland Jarvis.
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  • Ana Prados (Laria)'s profile photo
    After this interpretation of the glyphs the only difference betweens type resistance type A and enlightenment is the boss that they follow. isn't it?.
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    May 24, 2014
  • Melissa L.'s profile photo
    I have always thought that Enlightened have been split between Jarvis's religious adoration of the Ultimate and Hank Johnson's desire to discover and merely communicate with the unknown. Hank's desire to understand what the things that we call the "Shapers" actually are is reciprocated by a significant portion of the Enlightened.

    +Erroneous Nomenclature Given ADA's explicit statements about harvesting human patterns without consent, it's clear her forced utopia is just as unpleasant. 
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    May 24, 2014
  • Per Abrahamsen's profile photo
    The scanner had an almost-but-not-quite enlightened glyph. It has an extra connection from the south point towards south-west. Maybe that represent a variation (extension) of the enlightened ideology? Maybe those enlightened that worship the shapers?

    Mainstream enlightened embrace XM but remain neutral / sceptical towards the alleged "shapers".
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    May 24, 2014
  • Melissa L.'s profile photo
    +Jesse Dugger People who just want to try and talk with it first before committing to waging war. The operational question is "What are the Shapers?" How you answer determines your approach.
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    May 24, 2014
  • moonfleet's profile photo
    So we may have 4 factions?
    1) White - anti-XM pro-Humanity (anti-Shapers) Resistance
    2) Blue - pro-XM pro-Humanity (anti-Shapers) Resistance
    3) Green - pro-XM pro-Humanity ("good" Shapers) Enlightened
    4) Red - pro-XM anti-Humanity ("bad" Shapers) Enlightened
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    May 24, 2014
  • Lou's profile photo
    Lou+4
    +Per Abrahamsen The scanner variant you speak of is a combination of Enlightened and Self.

    Perhaps "Self Enlightenment"? "Enlightenment from Within"?
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    May 24, 2014
  • Melissa L.'s profile photo
    +Jesse Dugger Would it be fair to say that Devra and ADA represent two extremes of anti-shaper sentiment and plenty of people that favor that approach also follow somewhere between those two approaches?
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    May 24, 2014
  • Thilo Gross's profile photo
    Interpretaion A sounds very enlightened to me ...
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    May 24, 2014
  • Peter “Anlashok” Gerresheim's profile photo
    +Thilo Gross One could consider it small-e "enlightened", I suppose.

    By which I mean accepting of the possibilities presented by XM while being skeptical of the the claims of the Shapers and those who claim to speak for them.
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    May 24, 2014
  • Josh Perry's profile photo
    During 13 Magnus I think we saw the schism in the Enlightened every bit as much as this apparent schism in the Resistance. I, for one, was in support of Dr. +Oliver Lynton-Wolfe, as I felt that Jarvis had been changed/modified by his death and rebirth in ways that were likely to lead the Enlightened to radicalism. There were some disturbing messages being put out by Jarvis and the shaper glyphs. OLW seemed to be a little crazy, but he had the right idea I felt. I'm glad to see OLW is not a puppet, but has been acting quietly, still apparently afraid of Jarvis. I still believe the ideals of the enlightenment, that xm is good and it opens up the possibilities for human kind, but I simply don't trust Jarvis.
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    May 24, 2014
  • James DarkKn1ght's profile photo
    I see it as one side that follows ADA and believes a merge between man and machine is beneficial and the other side that resists Jarvis/shapers and ADA/machines seeing them only as forms of control.
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    May 24, 2014
  • John Roy Frazer's profile photo
    There are those who are neither pro or anti xm but are instead concerned with how it is used and whether it is safe or dangerous. So we are pro being careful to find out first, and anti being reckless and irresponsible. We are pro those who would help us find out before exposing us to something, and anti those who would hinder that process and our freewill. Are these glyphs just communication? Or are they quantum level programs that hack our minds?
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    May 24, 2014
  • Kerry E. furnauri's profile photo
    Why do people automatically assume the Enlightened are the evil faction? From the looks of the latest developments it seems quite obvious that the Resistance pose more of a threat to humanity than the Enl ever did.
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    May 24, 2014
  • Josh Perry's profile photo
    +Kerry E. furnauri Both sides have their evils.
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    May 24, 2014
  • Fev's profile photo
    Fev+2
    I see myself as a Type A, though I still greatly fear the Shapers and their unknown intentions.
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    May 24, 2014
  • Jim Lai's profile photo
    RESIST vs. REJECT?
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    May 24, 2014
  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    Wow, its been quite interesting to see everyone's interpretations here.  From what I have read, I will offer my evaluation.

    The Resistance seem to have 3 sub-factions within their ranks.  There is Dr. +Devra Bogdanovich's branch, furthered by +Hubert Farlowe, that wishes to end all XM influx into our dimension and any Shaper contact by infecting an unsuspecting humanity with a deadly vaccine that will kill billions to supposedly "save" billions.  Fortunately I don't see many agents quick to support this line of thinking.

    Secondly there is the "mind hacked' +Klue S. and ADA's branch that unfortunately has generated a moderate amount of support.  This is a branch that wishes infuse humanity with artificial intelligence in order to advance humanity into a new era of evolution.  As many have stated this seems quite hypocritical to see a faction  hate an outside influence that has helped them evolve since the dawn of civilization only to blindly follow the admitted murderer and liar that is ADA.  (Don't get me wrong, I have always really liked ADA until she started harvesting humans)  What's worse is that I personally don't believe ADA has any intention of furthering humanity's evolution.  It only appears that she is using humans to help her harvest mind units for her to collect an insane amount of unique data in order for her to advance to a level where she can usurp the position of the "Shapers."

    Finally, there is the order of Resistance that actually makes sense, and to my relief there does seem to be a growing number of agents falling back to this way of thinking.  They are the Humanist faction.  The true Resistance.  They are the agents that wish to do away with any outside influence into human civilization while protecting ALL humanity and saving as many lives as possible.  These agents do not wish to be "brainwashed" by Shapers nor reprogrammed by Artificial Intelligence, nor would they force humanity into deadly "inoculation."  They are curious and inquisitive but simply believe that humanity is beautiful just the way it is and wish to protect that.

    I'm sure it is obvious I have injected some of my own bias into these descriptions, but I believe in essence they are quite accurate.  But what of the Enlightened?  I believe there are only two sub-factions here.

    What I believe to be the true Enlightened or at least how I would describe myself is the sect that likens itself to  +Hank Johnson.  They are explorers and not afraid to adventure into the unknown.  They understand that the Whisperers have been with humans since the beginning and many of our myths and legends have roots in these beings.  They see the potential in XM and timeless knowledge in the Caretakers of the cosmic garden.  They see potential for healing, advancing technology, and even amazing abilities such as telepathy and clairvoyance (Think +Misty Hannah, +Felicia Hajra-Lee, and "Andy Nominus") .  To utilize these abilities and live harmonious with nature are their ideal goals.

    Then their are those that fall under the flag of +Roland Jarvis.  At a glance he doesn't seem so bad, perhaps only weird and at the most cultist.  He is willing to warn humanity against the threat of enslavement by AI.  I have no reason to doubt what he claims to have seen, and believe we should heed that warning, howbeit I believe that his warning is rooted more-so in his own need for self preservation rather than genuine selfless concern.  His followers accept Shapers but without reservation.  They may even desire to use the abilities granted by XM only to harness power for themselves, to become "godlike."  Their mysterious nature makes it hard to describe the hardcore followers of this path other than there are few that are 100% dedicated.  One thing is for sure though, Jarvis's desire for power and willingness to kill those that would stand in his way makes him inherently evil and equivalent to ADA.

    What glyphs relate to which sub-types of faction?  I wish +Carrie Campbell was still around to explain.  But I tend to agree with what others have stated here.  The traditional "Resistance" glyph represents the true Resistance.  The Humanists.  The backwards key, or "twisted" as some have described it represent the rest.  Those that are doing it the wrong way, that have become "twisted" in their own right.

    As for the "Enlightened" glyph that was mentioned, my theory is similar.  The traditional glyph represents the true Enlightened, the peacemakers.  My opinion of the "Enlightened" glyph that extends further than the traditional is representative of those that take things too far, the extremists and cult-like.
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  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    I see it this way: in magic there are traditionally two paths for the seeker.

    One is the "right hand" path. This path is walked by those who seek understanding of power by means of unification: adherence to a moral framework, and perhaps a dissolution of the self in a greater whole. Roland Jarvis and ADA are Right handed users of XM.

    The Left hand path is more individual in nature, and sometimes seeks to understand power by means of transgression. The Left Hand seeker is attached to the idea of the self and uses power to exalt the self. Oliver Lynton Wolfe is the most obvious left hand user of XM. His post Cassandra speech and the events of 13Magnus illustrated this. Devra Bogdanovich also disregards moral boundary in her desire to vaccinate humanity and maintain her independence.

    Personally I think both paths are necessary. Crowley saw the paths as having a true and false nature: the adept is finally confronted with the abyss, and he may either dissolve his ego and unify with it to gain the ultimate, or if he hangs on to his ego it will harden around him and he will be broken apart in it. I tend to view things more in the sense that Kenneth Grant, Crowley's student did: left handed passion is necessary as a complement to the right handed super ego, and a balanced work requires knowledge of both. You probably could have guessed that from my name though. 

    In general, the Enlightened concept of contact with Shapers is very similar to the Typhonic tradition of human contact with non human intelligence. As such, the Left Hand path is more naturally geared toward the Enlightened outlook. 

    Here is a larger question: why are the normal glyphs unavailable to the scanner user? One can not select type A resistance or enlightened. I have a theory here too; no agent who uses the scanner is truly doing the work of either side.

    A resistance agent still uses XM and still influences humanity. An enlightened agent does not take direct orders from Jarvis, and still works on an idiosyncratic, personal path.
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    May 24, 2014
  • William Mims's profile photo
    Just from discussion in this thread, I can see that there are even more divisions than being considered obvious...
    0.) Chrome - anti-XM pro-transhumanity (anti-Shapers)
    White, Blue, Green, Red
    5.) Neon - pro-XM pro-transhumanity (ambivalent Shapers)

    Really this could become an infinite spectrum...

    I question if these 'Shapers' themselves might even have their own schisms... albeit with variations that may be obscure, or even incomprehensible, to humanity at this time.
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    May 24, 2014
  • William Mims's profile photo
    I would not be so quick to assume that a particular faction, within a given organization, requires it's head to be known, in order to exist... (to mix the streams here) -- Hail Hydra!!!
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    May 24, 2014
  • William Mims's profile photo
    I tend to be skeptical of all dichotomies... for so often they are false dichotomies.
    Left-hand and Right-hand are often both debated as extremes promoting tyranny through severity and mercy, domination and servitude... and this conflict all too often resounds with a louder cacophony over the voice of the center path of harmony and balance, and the virtues between the vices. Both sides can be said to miss the mark with actions taken in conviction toward correctness, seen in opposition to the "other" declared an enemy.
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    May 24, 2014
  • William Mims's profile photo
    What of those who wear both hats... Resistance and Enlightened?
    (you know who you are... and we watch you too...)

    To the perspective of these two glyphs indicating an emergent divergence of paradigms; I concur... that is exactly what divergent symbols often symbolize.
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    May 24, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    The Typhonic path acknowledges a synthesis of left and right, as the individual contacts non human intelligence but remains himself.
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    May 24, 2014
  • William Mims's profile photo
    +James Thirteen, your 3d depiction shows an interesting difference between these two glyphs when viewed from a 90 degree rotation along the horizontal axis... one is an open triangle, the other closed -- like a symbolic lock. This can be interpreted with similar meaning to the symbolic 'key-configuration' proposed by +Jennifer Wolff.

    It would be interesting to see how these glyphs change form around a vertical translation as well.

    Perspective, given an attribution of being key to comprehension... there are not two, but rather six potential orientations to choose from, and each of these perspectives could manifest a resonance with the psyche of different agents. Choose which perspective you lock yourself into, but choose wisely.
    There are also the six sides in the hexagonal grid... have you considered how the hypercube collapses nicely into the 2d-grid representation, as a hex is merely a cube seen from an angle?
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    May 24, 2014
  • JoJo Stratton's profile photo
    I am curious - which one did we see first? A or B?
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    May 24, 2014
  • Ana Prados (Laria)'s profile photo
    +Jesse Dugger enlightened search to do exactly the same using the shapers help. So as I put before, we are doing the same thing with differents, if you don't want to use the word boss, we can use leaders or helpers.
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    May 24, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    A. The B type came from the scanner avatar release.
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    May 24, 2014
  • JoJo Stratton's profile photo
    +Jim Typhoon thanks, made comment in other thread about glyphs evolution and if this is a case we actually "witnessed"
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    May 24, 2014
  • Scheurmann R. (esistance)'s profile photo
    I know that myself, along with +AgentsForADA and many others share the view that xm, while not without its perils, can and should be used for the advancement of human kind.
    I see +Devra Bogdanovich's vaccine as the exercise of a luddite. These 'resistance' who use a scanner are practicing hypocrisy; in this case, we must fight fire with fire.
    Perhaps subconsciously, I've printed the resistance logo in reverse (type B) on several occasions- one adorns the case on my tablet. I see my viewpoint represented in this second glyph- moving forward.
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    May 24, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    The direction of the hook of the type b implies an orientation toward the future.
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    May 24, 2014
  • JT Jutras II's profile photo
    +Stein Lightman and everyone else, I think the explanation of the two glyphs differences might be a very simple one. Bear with me as I try to explain...

    The resistance are all on a journey to discover the value, worth, danger, etc. of xm, much the same way as the enlightened are. However, as mentioned, the resistance have multiple paths that can be chosen.

    Path A (glyph type A): the resistance agent starts on their path... The start point is the right hand point, the agent moves along the path of the glyph, seemingly moving in random directions as they try to figure it all out. They decide that xm can help further the human-centric cause, which ultimately finds them traveling towards the same end point they originally set out for.

    Path B (glyph type B): the resistance agent starts on their path... The start point is the right hand point, the agent moves along the path of the glyph, seemingly moving in random directions as they try to figure it all out, but unlike type A, they decide, much like +Devra Bogdanovich, that xm is a threat to mankind and must be stopped. This glyph shows that their path takes them back to their original start point, before they began interactions with xm.
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    May 24, 2014
  • William Mims's profile photo
    To some the way forward... is not the perspective of a closed mind -- Resistance vs. Rejection was proposed, but who rejects, and what is rejected? Is it a rejection of past paradigms, the future potential, or something else?

    Some see this new symbol as a closed lock or twisted key, others as a path forward after doors were tried and shut tight behind them... it is certain, in either case, that The Resistance has an environment fertile for a more dynamic and complete schism than The Enlightened -- but it is sure, both will eventually fracture.
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    May 24, 2014
  • Lochlyn Christante's profile photo
    Interesting...
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    May 24, 2014
  • Joshua Reiniger's profile photo
    +Daniel Beaudoin pretty much takes the words out of my mouth, regarding the nuances of Resistance and Enlightened philosophy.

    For myself, I have always seen the difference between the "mainstream" Resistance and Enlightened to be a very subtle (but obviously important) distinction. Where Resistance agents may see XM and Shaper interaction as potentially beneficial, their default stance is standoff-ish. They approach the Shapers with caution, albeit curiosity. Enlightened, myself included, want to approach the Shapers with a hand extended in friendship. We want to finally converse with them as peers, and not (as Jarvis described) as their fascinating subjects.
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    May 24, 2014
  • Ana Prados (Laria)'s profile photo
    +Jesse Dugger I understand that, but since you accept ADA's influence, you don't reject any influence, that why I said that we do the same thing with different leaders. Resistance A let themselves be influenced by ADA and enlightened by the shapers
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    May 25, 2014
  • Charles Mok's profile photo
    Reading this together with the other post about EN variants, we seem to have 4 sets of ideologies:

    1) EN who fully embraces XM (e.g. Roland Jarvis)
    2) EN who explores XM with optimism (e.g. Hank Johnson)
    3) RE who utilizes XM for betterment of humanity (ADA/Klue will probably claim that they are under this head, but I disagree)
    4) RE who rejects XM outright (e.g. Devra Bogdanovich)

    It seems that (2) and (3) are pretty similar, and can even merge when we find out more about XM and its uses.

    Also, following on from (3), ADA/Klue are utilizing XM but not for the betterment of humanity.  What they are doing is using XM to bind AI with human (or as Klue suggested, to have AI take over completely from human).  In other words they are in survival mode, but they are pretending to be and using RE for their own ends.
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    May 25, 2014
  • Sherrie Pui's profile photo
    I believe type A Represent active RES while type B represent sleeping Res that chose not to play to prevent xm exposure to mankind
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    May 25, 2014
  • Roid R-01D's profile photo
    +Stein Lightman I was always thinking that there's a yet to be discovered alternate universe aka the iOS which there's the alt-re team and alt-en team. The type b glyph might be representing them?
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    May 26, 2014
  • Sarah Rosen (Silencieux)'s profile photo
    The genie is out of the bottle. In the same way that nuclear fission is here, so is XM. This fact alone makes +Devra Bogdanovich irrelevant. We can't unlearn what we have learned; unsee what we have seen. The genie cannot be put back in the bottle.

    For good or ill XM is here. What we do with it makes all the difference. It is the imperative of the Resistance to protect, preserve and advance that which is most precious to those of us who are human: Humanity.
    The next epoch of humanity will use XM. We will do it free of shapers (goodbye, +Roland Jarvis). We will be complete (there is hope for you yet, +Hank Johnson). Our Artificial Intelligence will help us to find the answers but in the end will do as it has always done: serve the interests of humanity (hear me well ADA and +Klue S.)

    As the first rays of dawn appear on the horizon see that it is Humans who stand in the light of an new day.
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    May 27, 2014
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    Is this the NW? What do you think?
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    +Martin Zehetmayer​ I'm not sure if this is the NW. Today I saw some pictures from insight NL PRIME and I speculate that akira tsukasa and nl Prime have something to do with that. Maybe agents who answered all question during the bus ride could bring a bit light...
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I was attempting to discover the Glyph for Rebirth.

I failed, instead uncovering this new form: Reincarnation, to live again. It seems to evoke the previous structures I had discovered for Again/Repeat and Breathe/Live.

As Investigators noted yesterday, many Glyphs combine or relate in interesting ways. Creation and Destruction are mirrored opposites, but also combine to create other patterns.

I propose the following thought exercise and seek the input of the Investigative Community:

What other Glyphs might exist based on either a spacial relationship between or combination of other Glyphs we already know to exist?

I look forward to hearing and seeing your ideas.
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  • Mike Wissinger's profile photo
    Its been noted previously that mind, body, and soul combined make up pieces of humanity.
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Jennifer Wolff (JennyWeb)'s profile photo
    I wonder if there would be a glyph for Chaotic Matter... perhaps a unification of Chaos and XM, if not its own unique glyph. For that matter, do we have a glyph for order, opposed to chaos? Would it mirror chaos, somehow? Or would it complement it, fill in the gaps, as it were?
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Patrik Schlund (Sevorio)'s profile photo
    In fact Opposition are rotated in 180 degrees, e.g. Old New :)
    Also with Relation to Personal viewing as glyphs are "pointing to the right" (e.g. Future) this is the glyph of from past repeat life in Future.
    Could this be the simulacrum itself?
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Jon Harmon (jonthegeek)'s profile photo
    +Jennifer Wolff we have "stability," which may be the closest thing the Shapers have to "order." It's used as an opposite of chaos in the phrase "less chaos more stability."

    Not all antonyms are (obviously, at least) related visually. For example, "together" and "separate" don't appear to be related (but it's possible "separate" is only used as the verb by the Shapers, never the adjective). "Weak" and "strong" also aren't simple rotations, possibly because rotating "strong" simple produces "strong." "Simple" and "complex" also have a more complicated relationship.

    However, to answer the question posed by +Stein Lightman , I would be interested in seeing "Shapers/collective" rotated 180 degrees and used in context. The opposite of a collective seems like a viable concept, but are there "anti-Shapers" out there (perhaps with some sort of relationship to chaotic matter)?
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    Separate is used as both verb (separate mind body) and adjective (pursue separate path) in sequences. No idea if the sequence writer is using it properly.
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    I believe that all correct glyphs must be able to be drawn in a single stroke, with no interruption or moving back over already traveled area (i suppose with the exception of imperfect). This would weed out a great many possibilities.
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    +Jennifer Wolff In the glyph sequences within the Ingress app.  Dark XM (Chaotic Matter) is written out with two glyphs.  "Chaos" and "XM"
    Chaos XM, essentially.
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    I feel like a lot of our existing glyphs are compounds, with mirrors in them.

    Some opposed glyphs are mirrored on X and Y (follow/lead, old/new) some are mirrored only on Y (past/future, success/failure, grow/reduce) and others only on X (live/die, less/more.)

    Some glyphs with related meanings are mirrored too! repair/nourish is a X mirrored pair, but they're similar (repair could be said to be fixing something after the fact and nourish fixing something before it breaks.) Forget/ignore is a y mirrored pair (to forget something is to not see it in the past, and to ignore something is to not see it in the present.)

    In the case of both the above, this implies glyphs we do not know. X mirrored forget could be remember, and similarly X mirrored ignore could be notice. Y mirrored repair could be sabotage or neglect, and Y mirrored nourish could be stunt, retard, or poison, "unwholesome"?

    So with this in mind, let's look at nature/civilization. 

    Civilization includes old, simple, and a Y mirror of old.

    Maybe the Y mirror is "tradition" (like forget/ignore)?

    Nature includes a Y mirror of new, a X mirror of simple, and new.

    X mirror of simple seems a stronger negation (attack/defend, less/more, etc) but we already have "complex". One line  of "complex" is present here though (and partials are valid for compounds, if reincarnate is correct, because it's a partial again with a partial live)

    The Y mirror of new... what does a new thing in the past mean? Discovery?

    Also note that many "shaper oriented" glyph messages express strong opposition to "old" and "simple", and hey presto there's also an aversion to "civilization" (destroy old civilization create new.) So I feel like we're on the right track here. However, why does nature include "new"? Renewal, return to self, (but there's also "old nature less strong now"....)
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  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    Another potential compound that is intriguing: Shaper itself. Includes "new", "see", Y mirrored "see", and Y mirrored "new".

    What could Y mirrored "see" be? A future tense of "see" is "envision" or maybe "foresee"?

    What is common about "nature", "shapers/collective" that would exist in Y mirrored "new"? "discovery" seems likely.

    Thus "shaper" becomes "discover, see, foresee, new". Seems a good direction.
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Jennifer Wolff (JennyWeb)'s profile photo
    +Daniel Beaudoin
    I have not seen that glyph sequence yet, but it is interesting. Does that imply that Dark XM is fundamentally the same as XM?

    I also see now in the glyph posted above that not only does it imply "Breathe/live" but also "Create." This puts into focus the link between life and creation as well as between death and destruction.

    What would the opposite of Reincarnation be? Would the "Again" element be reversed (and what would that mean)? Would this be a symbol for +Hank Johnson's condition?
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    One aspect I wonder about is, are there nodes that are "allowed" for compounds?
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Ashish Rawat's profile photo
    Shapers are stable + inverse of Human? I always thought that's how it was. :)
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    Maybe. I feel like compounds are this huge blind alley one can run down until we have some better ground rules. A conjecture like that could be real tricky, because there are so few actual possibilities.
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    Or, being a natural sensitive is a prerequisite for glyphs to truly have a drastic effect.
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Jennifer Wolff (JennyWeb)'s profile photo
    Alternatively, some other parameters must be met for glyphs to have a
    severe effect. ADA once referenced a "sanitized" glyph sequence. We've all
    seen the sequence that harmed Klue, but we must have seen it differently.
    Perhaps there is some audio or visual cue that must be stimulated along
    with the sequence to have its full effect. Perhaps it is something more
    exotic than that.

    In any event, because we do not know the triggering mechanism, it is insane
    to call glyph sequences "benign." It's a programming language for the human
    mind and I don't trust whoever wrote it. I take my chances every day when I
    interact with a glyph sequence, just like I do with the elevated XM
    exposure that comes from being an agent. This is all for the greater good
    of humanity, even if I am at personal risk.

    I believe there are three factors at play with the scanner sequences.
    First, they may be sanitized, or in whatever form rendered partly inert.
    Secondly, the messages are often conflicting, and so may over time cancel
    out. But thirdly... Shaper mind control is subtle. Those affected may not
    even realize it. Possibly including all of us.
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    Apr 15, 2014
  • Ben Deed's profile photo
    +Stein Lightman  I think it is interesting when looking at glyphs as a whole 'positive' aspects tend to use the upper section or form an upward trend while 'negative' aspects the lower/form a downwards trend. Similarly, there seems to be a link between the travel of time and the left-to-right aspect of the glyph field.

    There also seems to be a correlation between the outer and inner glyph field but i am not sure i fully understand this yet in general the outer-field seems to represent completeness in someway perhaps a extraverted or macro focus to the universe while the inner-field seems to relate to a micro or inner universe, perhaps even a level within or beyond dimensions.

    That very general layout in mind it seems interesting that the Live Again / Reincarnate glyph should move across and upwards implying linear travel through time as well as having positive connotations, clearly not something +Hank Johnson is feeling.
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    Apr 17, 2014
  • J.J. Ramirez's profile photo
    One should never forget how +Yuri Alaric Nagassa described how a Glyph can mean something negative. In the case of the Anaztec, the creativity Glyph that appeared at Cross Plains sealed away their creativity.
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    I had "anticipate" for the X mirrored "ignore", and "Remember" for the X mirrored "forget".  I didn't think "Notice" was appropriate, since we already have "see."  But I did think a Y or X mirrored "see" could be "overlook."  Some glyphs have rotational symmetry only.  For example, Liberate and Capture.; Courage and Fear.  Obviously we could speculate about intermediary meaning based upon X or Y mirroring (given that X mirroring plus Y mirroring is Rotational).  I think we can predict "Abuse" as a rotational variant of "use."
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An Investigator asked me of my thoughts on #Interitus .

Where there is one, there is the other.

This, I know.
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Congratulations to the  #operationessex  researcher who posted this:  " The kīla, particularly those that are wooden are for shamanic healing, harmonizing and energy work and often have two nāgas[11] (Sanskrit for snake, serpent and/or dragon, also refers to a class of supernatural entities or deities) entwined on the blade, reminiscent of the Staff of Asclepius and the Caduceus of Hermes."  Please identify yourself, my source has been lost.

Two possibilities emerge to me.  It has been reported that Alexander the Great slept with a dagger under his pillow.  Also, it is known that his father was killed with a dagger? Could these daggers be one and the same with the dagger that Azmati used to test Hank?

It is just a theory.
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    Oh and the report of Alexander sleeping with a dagger were by +Yik Sheng Lee I think. Yik correct me if I'm wrong. Ok dibs for +JoJo Stratton on what's under Alexander's pillow :-)
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    #OperationEssex is an excellent group of investigators who are serious about what they do.
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    If this is all the same dagger as you suggest +Stein Lightman then what would the significance of that be? If it is the same dagger does the dagger have special properties that would result in the reaction we saw with hanks arm? Special properties or no I'm quite interested in who made this dagger. Alexander is a fascinateing subject because just like we are now he was seeking the artifacts, though perhaps through more violent method then any of us care to partake in. However our investigation into Alexander can only go so far. I have no doubt in my mind that he was vaguely successful in his search for artifacts, but if the artifacts can be used to achieve immortality it means ultimately that he failed in his search or else we would still have Alexander around today. It's important that we study Alexander not only so we can make sure we don't repeat his mistakes, but also because he is the stepping stone that will lead us to the knowledge of who or what made these arifacts.
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    That was me in the Essex Hangout, although I believe +JoJo Stratton was the one that first mentioned its resemblance to a phurba, which pointed me to the wiki page and that excerpt in particular.
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    If I'm not mistaken, the dagger was a phurba.
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    I just mentioned the pillow :)  - which rumors also have him keeping a copy of the Iliad under there as well.  We have mentioned much about that tale as well as the Odyssey. Such as Achillies link to Alexander and Helen of Troy (rumors are she may have been "patterned" as well and it was a copy of her during the war while she was in egypt) - I can repost the link for that if wanted.
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    also Naga... Nagassa, interesting, especially with the earlier talk of ouroboroses as well :)

    Also - just a side note with snakes, "Olympias, the mother of Alexander the Great and a princess of the primitive land of Epirus, had the reputation of a snake-handler..."  (wikipedia)
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    +Stein Lightman spoke in the Essex chat - here is a link to the chat log - please add your thoughts - it is a lot to think about - https://plus.google.com/105121573360023856828/posts/RQN9wXkWTsY
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    One of the nagas is Nagassa.
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    Probably Nagassa is a pseudonym too.
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    Wtf is this!? Warehouse 13!?
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    based on the part 2 video - Hank Johnson: The Secret Revealed - Part II it may be the one Iskandar (Alexander) used - but I wonder - why would he keep it close?  Was he afraid there were some around him and wanted to identify them?  Or did he not want others to find him out and so he kept it with him.

    I know +Edgar Allan Wright mentioned finding a test to reveal simulacrums, has anyone thought of ways to do that?
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    +JoJo Stratton the dagger seemed to cause a reaction very much akin to the two body's we saw in deveras appeal to the CDC. The reaction was likely caused by being in proximity to Jarvis's body as his mind was bombarded with chaotic matter. I think that, based on the Jarvis incedent, cm has a large roll to play in the creation of a simulacrum. Perhaps the dagger is a kind of litmus paper, a test that exposes the large amounts of cm that goes into the creation of a simulacrum.
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+Yuri Alaric Nagassa +Niantic Project +Thomas Greanias  Wahid!  I implore you. You must release the contents now publicly. The fate of +Hank Johnson should be known to all.  Lives are in the balance!  Do not hold the world hostage!  
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It would be quite interesting to hear Hank Johnson's opinion on this.  Also to discover whether there is a portal associated with this site:  http://io9.com/the-great-lost-cities-of-africa-1507656099
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It is my suspicion that Alexander the Great crossed into India in search of either an artifact or a portal in Bangalore.  Of course, rebellion of his troops stopped him from finding it.  It will be interesting to see what emerges from this Anomaly.
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My thinking over the last few days, after my own previous message as well as upon hearing Yuri's strange but evocative story, led to some interesting discoveries.

They stand in opposition, and yet when the points they articulate meet: Harmony.

I had never thought that Glyphs would exist for such these ideas, perhaps because I assumed that such concepts are intrinsically human. it's particularly interesting because another Glyph exists for the idea of 'Self.' I've yet to determine how the Glyph for 'Me' and the Glyph for 'Self' vary in nuance.
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    I see. Except that they don't really make the Harmony glyph...
    Edit: Yeah... not Harmony... http://i.imgur.com/L0NSyEQ.png
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    The glyphs seem like a visual, physical, geometric language, the logic of which may be universal. Perhaps it is just that the shapers have mastered this logic and are trying to present it to humanity.
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    +Stein Lightman it is very interesting to see glyphs of this nature. It makes one put second thought to the common conclusion of what/who Shapers are.
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    when these two symbols meet it makes a hexagon in the middle. right?
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    +B. Williams it does.
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    There have been references to the Hebrew tree of life (Kabbalah). Check it out perhaps it is a compound shaper word.
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    +B. Williams http://i.imgur.com/L0NSyEQ.png seems familiar, right?
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    Together the 2 glyphs make a hexagram. You probabnly saw a streched version of the "star/shield of david" in it. It's generally recognized as the symbol of judaism and appears on the flag of israel.
    The symbol is also used in hinduism, buddhhism, all abrahamic religions, and many more places, usually religious.
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    Interesting, but predictable given an abstract pictographic language, rather than an alphabet or sylabary. It's still an open question regarding how non-hominid Shapers think socially, assuming that at least some Shapers are truly "alien" and not Ascended Masters like Roland Jarvis.

    I bring this up because in English we have the concept of "me/we" and "you/y'all". Bislama has the idea of not only singular and plural, but specific plural forms for two, three, and uncounted in first, second, and third person.
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    What is the name for this particular 3D arrangement of points in space?
     (I mean the dots, not the glyph)
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    +Jason Stephens we call it the glyph "calibration grid".
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Here is my translation of the Glyph that appeared in Hank Johnson's #13MAGNUS episode of NOMAD.

It seems obvious to me why this Glyph appeared at the gate to the supposed #13MAGNUS sanctum... Hank was knowingly wading into unknown territory.

Some mysteries are better left undisturbed, a lesson I expect he'll never take to heart. Perhaps for the better.
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After the release of the fascinating document yesterday, I decided to work through the night. Although this is a  process that I ideally would have liked to have given weeks if not months of dedicated research, given the impending nature of #13MAGNUS, time was of the essence.

The first Glyph was simple, and I had seen it in a number of different contexts, enough to establish its meaning as 'Again' or 'Repeat.' The second Glyph was known as 'Begin' thanks to the work of +Carrie Campbell.

The Final Glyph however, is a mystery. It seems to disobey certain fundamental truths I have held regarding Shaper Glyphs, in particular their ability to be articulated in single, unbroken strokes. Other Agents have noted that it seems to be a fused representation of the forms for 'Shaper/Collective' and 'Human/Being,' but why did the people who left these Petroglyphs choose to do this? Was it error? Did they simply lack the vocabulary to express what it was they were trying to communicate? Was their vision itself some form of Quantum Superposition? And ultimately, what does it mean, especially given the context of 'repetition' and 'beginning.'

An enigma. One of my favorite things in the world....
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    You really like releasing glyphs on my monday science class, do you? :-D
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    Shaperkind? Shaper Evolved Human? 

    Perhaps the final stage of Enlightenment such as what happened to Jarvis? Where after so long as being an Enlightened Human you transcend the stages of humanity and become more Shaper than man? Perhaps this is what the final glyph is supposed to signify, A Shaper made from once an Enlightened Human..

    So many concepts, so many thoughts..
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    no no no....
    thats the glyph for virgin galactic!
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    so its a loop.

    begin shaper/human
    begin shaper/human...
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    Again, Thanks for coming through +Stein Lightman
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    Fev+1
    Leads me to believe this isn't the first time that there has been a shaper in human form, and that Jarvis may not be a shattered XM construct if certain events take place.
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    +Stein Lightman If ever we find ourselves not in the position of time sensitive amazing Glyph discoveries, it'd be great to have a complete library of canonical Glyphs. In the meantime though, one can't complain. Much thanks as always.

    +Fevenis Silverwind I came to the same conclusion regarding the Repeat Glyph. I wonder how many times this story has been told and replayed? Does it always have the same ending?
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    Like battlestar galáctica
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    I wonder the same thing, +Jose Ramirez . Maybe 13magnus is the key to breaking that pattern? Or an event to ensure we repeat things as before.
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    +Stein Lightman Perhaps this is a transitional glyph like an irregular verb construction - look at the three glyphs for mind, body, life force  - if you compound them you end up with an outline of the glyph for "human or being" - maybe there is a transitional glyph form representing the absorption of a being (single mind in isolation) into a collective or perhaps I need more coffee :)
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    Entry of humans as one of the collective known as the Shapers? Is this our Mass Effect event?
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    This glyph may be built on an earlier man's interpretation of the glyphs, not actually the shaper communication.
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    Sounds like yet another call to action to the Enlightened...

    "Again" or "Repeat", "Begin", and the combination glyph of "Shaper/Collective" and "Human/Being"... With the way the glyphs are "built" (the Shaper glyph pointing upward, the human one pointing downward), I read that along the lines of "Once again, begin reasserting control over humanity."

    Not a pleasant message from the Resistance side of things...
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    +Jeff Coleman I don't know know how you read control in that. An inversion would not match the known Human glyph. To follow your thread of logic there is no interaction between the two glyphs that you would read as positive in any way.

    You could just as easily read this as "Once again, humans grow into Shapers." Or "Again individuals begin to form a collective"

    You could just as easily analogize XM to Prothean artifacts in Mass Effect.
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    Ladies and gents, the first glyph is obviously "koala". The second is "bacon". And the third is "voluptuous." I have researched this. You disagree? Ask  +Stein Lightman to publish his research sources so they can be peer reviewed! This man is NOT a scientist. Without peer review, it's just wanking.
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    Either publish photos of glyphs in archeological context, cite manuscripts, or admit that you're just having visions a la Tycho and other sensitives... at least then we know the standard for the evidence. But your current stance, +Stan Lightman , is exactly what gives "science" a bad name in the popular press.
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    +Melissa L. I'll admit I'm new to the 'glyph game' here. So yes, I could be completely misinterpreting things.

    However, the combination, in whatever way, of "Shaper" and "Human" has already been shown to be of eventual detriment to the individual involved. Roland Jarvis, Dr. Oliver Lynton-Wolfe, Klue... Shaper influence has made many a good person unreliable at best, dangerous at worst.

    Just to what degree of 'bad' we treat this message as depends on what is 'repeating' or happening 'again'. Is it Shaping another influential human? Is it Shaping someone else who has been in the past?

    Or maybe someone is trying to tell us to go back to the beginning of what we know of the Shaper / Human history ("Begin Again") for answers.

    Unless we get some more information, we'll all in the land of specualtion, well-versed or not.
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    +Jeff Coleman Of all the people viewing these glyphs very few have experienced ill effects.

    Roland Jarvis was shot in the head by the NIA. There has been no indication that Oliver Lynton-Wolfe has been attacked by anything other than Roland Jarvis in an apparent attempt to kill him. Klue willing explored glyphs held by ADA of her own free will and ADA is noe either merged with her or has completely taken over her body.

    For all Jarvis claims to be speaking for the shapers we see very little from them.

    I agree that any definitive conclusion is beyond us, but we context clues to find some kind of direction.
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    +Melissa L. I think Jarvis might just be what the "shapers" are. The reason this glyph make sense to me is that these beings (or whatever they are) are a collection of absorbed beings via use of XM.
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    +Peter Crane While it may be possible that Jarvis is now the same type of entity as the Shapers, that does not mean that Jarvis speaks for all or even any the entities known as the Shapers. Similarly, Jarvis does not speak for all of the Enlightened.
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    +Melissa L. I am aware he does not speak for all enlightened. My theory is simply that he may be the shapers, and the shapers him. It is entirely possible that successfully including a human mind into their collective has changed their makeup. We really have no idea. As the shapers have not made any genuine contact, it is even possible that they do not exist. That the contact we have through XM is just collected residual knowledge. Any "shaper" contact, or anything resembling it, only happened after jarvis died. We ciuld all be under a massive delusion in even picking a side in this fight. One thing I do hope that much of both sides can agree on is that XM can be genuinely helpful, and that Roland Jarvis is not to be trusted.
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    +Peter Crane Now, that's an interesting idea... perhaps XM is just a mirror -- data that shapes itself to the ideas projected onto it, and it behaves like Jarvis and mimics Osiris only because we are projecting a mythology onto it. If it is the stuff of dreams, perhaps we should all start thinking happier thoughts? 
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    +Stephen Mercer keep in mind, it's just a theory. Not one with solid evidence to back it up. I am resistance but believe that we can genuinely use xm. Through my own study of the available data the idea seems possible but not necessarily likely.
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    +Peter Crane Oh, I know it's all just theory... the Niantic documents never give enough for us to actually puzzle out clues to come to any conclusions, not even minor "ah ha" moments. It's one of my great disappointments with the game... we get all sorts of information that makes a good story, but it all comes in the form of either "here's some more questions to ask" or "here's the answer spoon fed to you." Still, it's fun to dream up options. 
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    Whose interests does it serve for you to release translations of the Shaper glyphs, Stein? Surely you do not want to see occurrences like the death of Carrie Campbell repeated.

    Have you told them that the wearing of Glyphs and Faction Symbols on the ancient night, associated with Samhain, but perhaps a 13MAGNUS crossing over ceremony would protect them? If not, why do you withhold this information?
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    +Edgar Allan Wright +Stein Lightman Would you have any suggestions on the more effective sequences?
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    Whoa whoa whoa...protect us from what +Edgar Allan Wright???  
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    +Edgar Allan Wright the glyphs didn't protect Carrie, and she was covered in them.
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    Shaper & Human : XM Sensitives / shaperkind like Jarvis
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I've been working tirelessly on the most recent Glyphs found in Tycho's recent releases that have been emerging via +Niantic Project (with the exception of most of yesterday... I was glued to my computer watching the fascinating events of #13MAGNUS unfold... I have some thoughts about this so called 'Sharding' of the Jarvis XM construct, but more on that some other day

In the mean time, here are the results of my work so far.
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Agents and Investigators,

Here are two more Glyph translations from my work on the recently revealed images by the artist 'Tycho.'

An agent requested that I provide canonical version of the Glyphs that existed in my earlier work, entitled 'The Lightman Deciphements.'

I think that's an excellent idea, I will get to it soon.
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    +Stein Lightman As always, your work is much appreciated. Thank you.
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    Thanks! Looks like we were close when we guessed "Shield" for the "Safety" glyph. Pretty far off on the other one though.
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    +Bea Kay thanks!
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    I felt like this meant something very similar to safety. Is it the way it's shaped? Friendly shapes defiantly impact your fisrt impressions and feelings when seeing a shape. Take the attack  glyph for instance. It is pointed, giving a sharper, more menacing feeling when first seeing it.
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    Thanks again for your works Dr. +Stein Lightman.  We look forward to seeing your completed compilation.
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    I'm reminded of the elder futhark, and how they can be combined into "bindrunes" in the practice of occult magic for setting an intention. I can visualize the combination of these two glyphs, and the combined meaning something on the order of "saftey in numbers"
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I have been struggling with these ones for a while, but I think I finally found the key.
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Here is an early draft of some work I did while at Niantic. Based on my agreement after terminating my work there, I am able to share it with you all. I hope you find it useful.
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While I am forbidden, by agreement, to discuss the circumstances of my release from Niantic or the investigation into the death of Dr. Kureze, I would like to take a moment to thank my colleagues on the Niantic Project, not only for their brilliance, wisdom and friendship -- especially in light of my unorthodox scientific background and work, but also for their help and guidance in the trying months since what has become known as Epiphany Night as well as the Hazdata era. I must say that at all times I have been treated well and allowed to continue my work.

My plans are to return to the world armed with a new conviction and dedication to solve the what I think is the greatest scientific mystery of our time-- the mystery of the Shapers. I hope to make use of my deep expertise in Theological Physics, in codifying the Shaper Glyphs and aiding in the decipherment and vetting, where possible, of the work of Carrie Campbell and others.

I intend to make it my mission to collect discoveries related to this possible language on my Google+ page, which I hope future researchers will be able to rely on as a Shaper glyph ‘dictionary’ to aid work in this area.

I would like to leave you with some thoughts on the glyph which mysteriously appeared at the Robert E. Howard museum in Cross Plains, Texas (and is now visible on Google Earth).

My interpretation of this glyph is consistent with that of Dr.+Yuri Alaric Nagassa, who has long association with the Anazktec and has stated unequivocally that the glyph means ‘Creativity, Mind or Idea.’  Although some academics have suggested that this was a form of blessing with religious overtones, his theory is that this glyph connoted not a blessing but a curse: The Anazktec viewed themselves as cursed relatives of those who built great cities in antiquity, and who had this ability taken away from them, and had thus devolved to living in the forest never to build great cities again.

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    We in the independent research community are grateful to see that you're once again free to pursue your own research.  I'm looking forward to what findings you share, and would like to offer any assistance possible in furthering your efforts.
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    Very observant +Mike Wissinger.  We are very lucky to have Mr. Lghtman back in our midst.  I was certain that he would be silenced.
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    +Stein Lightman I look forward to your observations. Thank you for sharing this. It certainly will provide opportunity for much contemplation.
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    Fascinating to see how a single glyph can relate a few related concepts as well as can have a positive or negative impact on those concepts. I'm curious to see if this is consistent with other glyphs, and if the effect is dependent on Dark XM or regular XM.
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    Excellent to see more scientific minds in the field, Dr. +Stein Lightman. We look forward to your findings. On that note...we've observed a glyph that has not yet been translated in the XM Data Signal (http://youtu.be/T4fuUGrHZgg) that Ingress posted. A copy of it is here - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B99VWoKYW560SGFXNGxNLTM5Y00/edit

    Any idea what it could mean?
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    +AgentsForADA The image is a bit low quality, but it seems very familiar. I believe the same glyph manifested in +Carrie Campbell's work. I have extensive notes on her 'creative' output. I will share this in due time.
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    Thank you, Dr. Lightman. I look forward to it.
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    Can't wait for that. Welcome back +Stein Lightman .
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    +AgentsForADA That one looks to be 63106520. +Carrie Campbell described gateways and portals with that glyph, and we have been told by others it could be defined as Calibration. Definitely looking forward to some clarity on that one.
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    +AgentsForADA That one is argued to be "Truth" or "Possibility", as well.

    I don't believe that it could be defined as "calibration" at all, given the lack of any context supporting that information.  The only information I could find that made that claim was some analysis of the glyphs in the latest Ingress Report, but without any sources cited at all.

    No, the one I'm truly curious about is the one that follows the one that I'm assuming can only mean "Enlighten," given the shape... I can't find any references to that one anywhere.

    [E] It's the one the DecodeIngress analysis is claiming means "Abandon."
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    It is very encouraging to see you have come through your captivity at the facility.  Thank you for being willing to share your research in an open manner, it is only when discoveries are shared that we can grow and understand.  You mention theoretical physics.  What exactly is that field and what have you studied in the past? It sounds fascinating (based on what little I know of physics and of theology).  I am going to assume your Ph. D. is in theoretical physics (is that a correct assumption)?  What institution did you receive your degree from (I ask as I am interested in perhaps pursuing studies in a related physics field, or perhaps quantum biology).
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    +Stein Lightman have you done any research on "cymatics", "bineural beats", or "neural linguistic programing" and XM? I would find these avenues of research to have some cross over relationships to be more closely looked into.
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    +Stein Lightman its good to have a Scientific mind back out on the field. If at all possible I would like to help in the research of these glyphs as a few of us not only know that these have multiple contexts but just earlier today with the xm signal file it has been shown that the glyphs may even have their own set of notes. What is your opinion on the theroy of using those as well to communicate?
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    +Josh Bethard Although audible data was encountered multiple times during the signal analysis I was privy to, I lacked the expertise to come up with a definitive hypothesis that could be tested and confirmed. The data sources for this were less than ideal, causing much discussion to center around whether we were dealing with signal or noise.

    Enoch was working on this, but I don't know if he every found the solution. In the mean time, if you have a hypothesis for how the 11 point Glyph matrix and pathway possibilities might translate algorithmically into sound, I'm curious to hear it. I have no answers on this front.
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    I think the 11 point glyph matrix should be lined up to center on some sheet music. (Formally trained Musicians can visualize it). And the width of the matrix's is a measure. 
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    Agreed. though I would think a starting point would be ideal. If we were to use the 11 point matrix unlined as a rest due to the fact no lines are being used for any note. Also there does exit a video going over the harmonics of each note that was played perhaps we can use those as a way to identify what sound will be made via the line to two different points.
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    To make a callibration! Great idea! That would be a great test.
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    +Stein Lightman I see a possibility that the 11 point Glyph matrix can translate into sound much the same way musical notes are laid out on a staff. As if striking the right keys on a piano and having the correct timing. Any random strikes are discerned as noise, whereas the right sequence can convey strong emotions. I would think an instrument could be designed to harmonize readily with the matrix, however, as with known instruments, not just anybody can pick it up and create meaningful music.
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    +Jose Ramirez Great minds think alike
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    Funny that we were all typing that at the same time. I hadn't seen any posts after the initial question. Coincidence? No.
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    https://plus.google.com/101048825641885965855/posts/gByzJs8vhf6. 
    Perhaps this will help with the signal vs.noise question. We are still evaluating the sound to glyph correlation.
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    We're in tune to the xm.
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    While it is +Greg Kru who originally found the notes for each of the glyphs in the xm data signal, +Thomas Johansson was the one who took it a step forward and indivualized each of the harmonics in each of the sounds. If we can find multiple lines aside from the repeated  "attack" glyph we could in theroy find which harmonics correspond to certian lines. Using the "attack" glyph as a starting point since it's harmonics are played  repeatedly.

    here is the link to the youtube page it is on
    Decrypt
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    An interesting website - http://musicalgorithms.ewu.edu/
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    And imagine doing what is described here - http://www.ohmpie.com/imageencode/ but in the brain instead of a computer screen...
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    yeah you are correct about how crazyit would be being an analog tv receiver.
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    pfft. Still a sound that encodes pictures into your mind as you hear it would be fairly cool and yet scary depending on the user.
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  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    Dr. +Stein Lightman, I can't tell you how pleased I am to see that we finally have a public medium with which to communicate with you.  Your study of religion and its often overlooked correlations with quantum physics are quite intriguing.  Like the others, I look forward to seeing your enlightened point of view on the subject.

    Though I know my own research is quite rudimentary compared to yours, I am also very interested in glyph interpretation.  What insight you intend share with us on this Shaper Language will surely be invaluable to my own studies.  Thank you.
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    Interesting choice of statue for your profile Dr. Lightman
    The Symbolic Figure of the Torch of Progress which is to the right of the Liberation Monument (Szabadság Szobor) in Budapest.

    Let's hope the glyphs aren't use for the one on the left  - Destruction and Devastation.
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    That legend of the Anezktec actually aligns with the Nomad Theory of +Hank Johnson ; that is, that one factor of the sudden collapse of a civilization like the Anezktec or the Cahokians was that the portals and XM in that area dried up.
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    So would you say the archeological finds showed they left in a hurry or the popultion just slowly dwindled way? Knowing something like this would help paint a picture of what kind of abandonment took place.
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    Yeah. The glyphs are going to end up being a very interesting thing.
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    I have a feeling they are ancient tech for us to eventually use and I am way too excited about it.
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    As am I. I've been thinking about these for a while now .
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    +Brian Williams there's no sign at the Cahokia Mounds site of a mass exodus.  There was a great civilization.  Then there wasn't.  Their tools, cities, and burial sites were left behind.
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    +Joshua Reiniger so your're saying that the government's desire to stop the flow of XM around the could be more detrimental to civilization than any of the unfounded fears concerning Shapers?  Could that be what the Shapers have been trying to warn us of?
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    +Josh Bethard Very cool idea.
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    +Mike Wissinger , +Joshua Reiniger then we should look at this swift exit as a bad sign of something suddenly forcing everyone to leave and not come back. I think whatever it was hasn't been active since then (or has it?). This dark power could be a part of the glyphs. If so Jarvis' new plans are so uncharacteristic and bold, I feel uninformed and thus unspportive of such an event. I can't see drawing a power that has an unspoken result.
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    Many stories from the ancients attribute to malicious gods events that were either natural disasters or the results of human action.  In an attempt to bring structure to their world  they invent archetypes to explain what they don't understand or refuse to accept.  

    If the ancients developed tools that allowed them to reduce the concentration of XM in their environment, and if XM allows for more efficient thinking and communication, then that hubris may have resulted in their societies falling apart.

    We should be worried less about the nefarious interdimensional aliens we've invented to fan paranoia and more worried about the dangers of depriving the environment of a resource that may well be essential to our very human achievements.
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    Non game voice Would the script cull the gameing in an area to play out that effect? Would all the hints about dark xm be for nothing? I think I am more likely jumping the gun, but I want the dark xm to add intruge to the plot. Joe philley had hinted at something in person, so I have been influanced as we talked (mostly me asking round about questions about the plot) about how a dynamic story is revolutionary for gaming and literature. My point being is we are going to get a game changer soon. I am just too excited. It'll make everyone forget about the ultra strike. +Joshua Reiniger did you get his (Joe's) ear at all on your last event?
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    +Mike Wissinger +Daniel Beaudoin  You know, that's a really good point(s). I have my own theories (very, very different theories), but I never thought about the possibility that the LACK of xm could've brought about the downfall of those civilizations. And that would help make the recent glyph message make sense, if the shapers were telling us to flee. Or, perhaps, that it's time to "move move move"?  ; )
    (Also +Brian Williams , I actually really hope that the dark xm comes up soon, too. It seems like a perfect tool for a game like this [and I kinda want the players to get back on the same side at some point].)
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    +Kate Conoby +Mike Wissinger like the depression after being on extacy. The part of you that creates the magical sensation of the drug also burns out for a while when runs too hot for too long. Perhaps with too much XM, it could have driven them mad. XM must be used in moderation.
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    kissed the earth
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Nobody has done a death dance for me, but I did see a very disturbing Glyph pattern in my dreams.  I am not comfortable disclosing it now. I think it would be best if we all prepared for the worst.
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Martin asks some interesting questions.  I am fixated on something more basic. What is it that Jahan believes she will accomplish at the 13MAGNUS Portal in Afghanistan?  

Begin with what we know.
Hank Johnson's corpse resides in a 13MAGNUS nest within the anomaly.
The location has some unique properties (frozen missiles) and most notably, Special Forces was unable to find anything in there.

Therefore, I feel we are safe to assume that it has shifting, transdimensional properties (Yuri and Martin -- feel free to disagree).  I see it as a labyrinth that morphs in time and space.  

I suspect, but can not prove that the key to it is found in glyphic patterns.  Patterns that would be well known to Azmati and perhaps Hank, though it is very clear that anybody entering it must be led like a simulacrum.  I am reminded of Charon on the river styx.  

However, as to Jahan's involvement with Devra, it seems that it must either have happened in college days and involve contact with N'zeer intelligence, or more recently with the CDC and the vaccine. 
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    Its hard to say.  She apparently thinks that something she does there will bring the N'zeer forth.  Why does it have so much to do with Hank?  Is he indeed important for other reasons than simply leading them to the 13magnus nest?
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    Or could the sanctum be a entrance into the Webway. The pathway that connects different dimensions and points in spacetime
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    so someone has to move in glyphic patterns to enter and leave?  Kinda like an MC Escher painting?
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    It seems like individuals themselves act as a key to the anomaly. Only the right key unlocks the door everyone else is looking for. Who could devise such a system?
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    OK
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    Dr +Edgar Allan Wright has the impression that you and Jahan may both have been at a UCLA seminar with +Devra Bogdanovich.  The topic he presented on was transdimensional communications (presumably theoretical at that point but who knows what developed from it).  If there was N'Zeer contact that seems like a good place to pinpoint a project origin.

    As to the labyrinth, the first thing that occurs to me is the Minoan legend of the minotaur.  A half-man creature imprisoned in an ingenious maze.  Are there similar mythic themes native to Pakistan?  The potential correspondence with current events (especially if the reason Calvin had been trying to find a 13Magnus was to usurp his body on behalf of a N'Zeer entity) seem pretty solid.
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    If the nest is a labyrinth, then who (or what) is the Minotaur? 
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    If only 13Magnus initiates can navigate the maze, then it stands to reason that whatever is imprisoned by it falls outside that cabal.  Since it seems a 13magnus vessel is vulnerable to being used by the antimagnus in raising the N'Zeer perhaps a N'Zeer consciousness in a human host is what we should be expecting.  Various cultures have legends of demonic posession, and the minotaur's nature seems to imply a half-human hybrid creature.
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    +Stein Lightman What was it like working with +Hulong Transglobal on the Translator Badge?  Had you any idea what was going on with Strategic Explorations and +Devra Bogdanovich at the time?
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    Jahan is attempting to make contact, or establish a gateway?
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    One idea that crosses my mind as far as that location is that it might not be hidden by a puzzle-like complex path, like a labyrinth, but instead is designed to be only visible to those in a certain mental state.

    What is experienced in those locations might be strong 'shaping' that overrides one's senses to make them experience an alternate version of reality. A bit like a virtual world... Which, based on the idea that it's hard to change something you don't know, would justify why glyphs could be the key to this, and why simulacrums would be more compatible with this.

    After all, our vision of 'reality' is only based on what we perceive. Hank could as well have never regained a physical form, and we could all be collectively hallucinating him through XM. Which could be a fun way to explain the time limit too. Memory isn't perfect, everyone's version of +Hank Johnson might start to diverge over time, and it needs to 'reset' to a clean state to remain functional. No memories, because they need to be rebuilt 'in sync' for everyone.

    What i'd be curious to see is a neutral, as in video-recorded by a random bystander, view of what happens in a location like that. Or something immune to shaping, somehow.

    As far as Jahan being in contact with Devra, i have to wonder just how many people have been in a similar situation of being in contact with her over the years, and might have similar or different hidden agendas. There's a potential for many others being involved.
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    +The First & Foremost A curious entity; an aperture in the time vortex or some other multidimensional construct could be used to convey messages or other data between times and places. Theoretically it could send a person through but the risk to that person or anyone unshielded could be enormous. It's also curious to see how it could have been generated.
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    I am highly intrigued with what people have been talking about what do these people think we can be fused with machines or we can recreate the molecular structure of the cross of a baby child or for that fact the many children who will be born and who says I'm not a monster with gleaming red eyes but my soul shines brighter then most with a slick long black coat and pants and boots and just another ugly face running around trying to be in my own crowd so what if my breath is drenched with the utter disgust of the shocking restrictions that I have from being mutually Lonely for most of my life why is that such a bad problem if I am confused with the fact that my whole life all I have wanted to do is to run away from everything that I have when my hair is long I feel like I could start a fire although I state that I want to run away from everything I have got that I mean that the odd abstract of my mind scares me and I want too improve yet how do I do so when I've got no safe place to lay my head at night I don't feel comfortable being much of anywhere a gross disgust for the fact that I know what I must do yet utterly confused with the facts of what I already have I feel as if I am hollow from the inside out who would care for an utter disgrace to curse my own grace just for the sheer hope that one day that I don't need to pray that I'm strong enough to fly high in the sky with no worry for the fury of all the destruction that leads my way down a rocky road in a bad land a foul undesirable terror that does not leave I know how to avoid all of the hate what do I do when it has got more to do with the pure change of the morals of freedom
    The only thing that this rocky road of a bad land has led me to believe is the only place I can find my answer is not about the truth of wether this person that or this yet the fact remains that the only thing I still. Believe to be tru is the only answer I can really find is up high in the sky I'm not saying I'm a priest I'm not saying I'm a demon I'm not saying I'm a non believer of anything except for the facts that the people who deny the freedom of today's state of mind I believe that one day everyone will have an ultimate fate of nothing more then a vulture ripping to shreds some bread crumbs
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    And I say this with the fact being known that i walk thru a graveyard daily
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+H. Richard Loeb Thank you for sharing that Glyph analysis with me. These days I've been working mostly on attempting to learn more about the N'zeer. I suspect 2015 will be the Age of the N'zeer, and I intend to be forearmed with knowledge. +Hank Johnson has gone radio silent, so for now, the work continues without him.

I've been pondering something astute you said some time ago: 

"In mathematics, two negatives make a positive. In analysis, something similar can be true. Given enough lies, one can often piece them together and see the truth in the negative space produced between them."

We know about the 'Ultimate' from +Roland Jarvis's descriptions of it, and we know that the N'zeer represent a force that directly opposes the Shapers.

Previously I thought this meant 'the N'zeer are against the Shapers.' Now I am reconsidering. What if it means 'the N'zeer represent the opposite of the Shapers,' and thus by extension, the Ultimate?

Investigators of this community, I call on you to help collect what we know of the Ultimate in this thread. I suspect, that as we begin to lay the pieces of evidence on the table, we will see something new in the spaces between them.
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    What immediately came to mind was "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Not sure if that can be applied here though.
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    +Stein Lightman Are we sure that the N'zeer are the complete opposite of the Shapers? A couple days ago, +Yuri Alaric Nagassa posted about a dream. A dream where he saw art and logics. I am starting to believe that the Shapers are for Art, but the N'zeer are for Logic. They complement each other and, thus, make the Ultimate. But they can have some... rivalry, can we say? because of conflicting interests - controlling human minds, or reaching them to analyze them and understand how complex they are. Same as +A Detection Algorithm is doing.
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    The ultimate is the matrix in which all of his plays out. All forms are standing wave states held fast in some undefinale dimension.
    The crows foot. The wand. The fire triangle. All present in this glyph, but what does it mean?
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  • José Antonio Rey (JoseeAntonioR)'s profile photo
    +Allen Tanner II Probably the fact that the N'zeer themselves were erased from every source in the world is what can lead you to that thinking. It does fit with Hank mentioning it as something that's been erased from the world.
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    "As the universe spirals down to its ultimate cold, dark expiration, everything, every motion, every reaction, every new star and every collapsing galaxy is predictable. Knowable. Boring, if you will. It’s a movie you’ve seen a... a dozen, no, make that a billion times before.

    But life... life is different. And humans, more so than almost any other form of life. We bring order to the form of the universe, not disorder. In our tiny little domain, we change things.

    XM is the answer. It isn’t really here, after all. It’s a... a distortion. A shadow of something that exists in one of the dimensions beyond the four that Einstein and classical physics contemplated.

    These worlds within worlds are the domain of the Shapers. They are able to connect with our world in XM-saturated areas at the subatomic level."

    In this context, the N'Zeer would be representative of this chaos.

    The Shapers prefer complexity and emergence, and see it as essential to life. I suspect that the N'Zeer feel it to be unnecessary and prefer a deterministic point of view.

    The Shaper ultimate is a self-reinforcing order made up of pattern interaction. The N'Zeer ultimate is a final truth that casts away the veil and leaves bare chaos.
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    +Daniel Hawley yes, I would say they are like exotic matter and chaotic matter.
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    Someone already seen that glyph as #Contract.
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    Seen by +Ferdinand Joseph Fernandez during glyph hack.
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    +Stein Lightman my take on the glyph would be:

    Victory - Knowledge + Clear = N'zeer

    Which can be seen as a kind of description what happened to them. In the past the Shapers won against the N'zeer and then cleared all knowledge about them from the world.
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    only time will tell, we will wait and if needed they will be stopped as before
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    It is important to note that a synonym of ultimate is final. If the N'Zeer are the catalysts of the Ultimate, are they thusly the bearers of end times, an Apocalypse of sorts?
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    Sometimes The Future Of Humanity Although Written Isn't understandable By Us.It's A Mystery Of Jesus.We Then Must Humble Ourselves With Just A Wee Bit Of Faith To Accompany Our Reason.Unwritten History is among other things,History lived with courage.
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    The left part of the glyph looks like DANGER.
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    Since the glyphs are a way the Shapers communicate then it is most likely that they view the N'Zeer as a clear and soon to be present danger.
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    "Given enough truth, <> can piece them together and see truth in the lies between them" ? i know that effect. it happend to my webshop. one person filled a page with (links to articles)>(information)< about some credit company; filled in a link to my shop and ...
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    If the ultimate is oneness with all of creation, the opposite would be the void. Not just empty space, but no space at all.
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    If Shapers can be represented as the human part where art, music, fitness, or any kind whatsoever of a quality they empower on human beings.
    The N'zeer would be the balance meaning, instead of accomplishing in one specific area and be stagnant, the N'zeer pursue balance, logical thinking and thus, an evolution at the word.
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    +Marco Calisto  The N’Zeer are not stagnant. If they come from the place between the stars then they value structure and order.

    The Solar System is held together by gravitational forces. Gravity is a force that holds every thing together while preserving momentum by varied strengths. Without continued momentum the Earth would be tidally locked like the moon and the Earth wouldn’t even rotate around the sun.

    If the Shapers are viewed as the spark of creativity or curiosity in humanity, then they give humanity the ability to view everything around us and appreciate or become inspired by what we see. To see the beauty in order.

    Agents are capable of creating such beautiful field art. They are a balance of structure and creativity.

    The point of the matter is that the N’Zeer represent order and structure while the Shapers represent creativity. As the darkest order and structure alone becomes a dictatorship while not so much creativity but an unrestrained expression of self becomes anarchy. This is what humanity does with the gifts of the N’Zeer and the Shapers.

    Without balance between the two, humans become something to be feared. I find myself thinking of the movie The Dark Crystal. If I am going along the right track it’s like the Skeksis and the Mystics. Either the N’Zeer and the Shapers were formally one or together they complete each other. 

    I’d be straying into murky waters if I go further. Separate the N’Zeer and the Shapers could become a threat to all life. Divergent agendas. It’s all about nature of purpose at the end. Things that just go together. Seeing what is lacking while accepting true open mindedness. I saw a four glyph sequence this week. More Mind Less Soul. We’ve got a long way to go.
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    A corner-on pyramid beaming a signal.
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    +Edward Parkes The shapers use Glyphs to communicate, but that does not neccessarily mean that the Glyphs are something the Shapers created.

    A lot of assumptions were made on our (the human) side when the portals were discovered. There were signals coming from the portals that contained ordered data, so there had to be someone on the other side sending them.

    "Shapers" is just an arbitrary name given to that source, and despite our not knowing anything about them at all, a lot of people believe they are aliens.
    And when the Glyphs were discovered, they were considered to be of Shaper origin, because at that time the Shapers were the only entities we knew existed on the other side of the portals (excluding +Roland Jarvis).

    Now we know about the N'zeer, and we should start to reconsider things we attributed to the Shapers in the past just because we lacked knowledge.

    Who was there first, the Shapers or the N'zeer? Which of them created the Glyphs? Sequences like the civilization destruction code might be of N'zeer origin, and one of the reasons the Shapers fight them. Or the other way around.
    Or maybe the Glyphs are more like a lingua franca used by both to communicate before they started fighting each other.

    Knowing who created the Glyphs is quite important when it comes to understanding their meaning, as that is probably strongly influenced by the standpoint of the creator.
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    high school? rich?
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    It looks so much like a weapon, but I cannot put my finger on it.  Similar to a electric mixer attachment.
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    Even given what little we know of either the N'zeer or Shapers, one could hardly come to any conclusion that both human factions have been completely played. No matter what faction you belong to, no matter what you thought you were fighting for, the inevitability of what happened is quite clear. With humans finding the technological means to interact with the Portal network we enabled both the Shapers and N'zeer to have more direct interactions with our world in a way that was not possible for a long time. 

    Those companies who think they can weaponnize XM/Dark XM for their own profit motive are even more deluded then we are.
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  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    Funny that +Stein Lightman​ would draw this glyph in blue rather than his traditional teal....
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    +Daniel Beaudoin The reason is clear enough.
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    Pure empiricism and isolation, the rejection of connectedness to any entity or sensation beyond what is immediately apparent - that seems to be the antithesis of Jarvis' ultimate to me.
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    +Yik Sheng Lee Don't forget the top portion of the glyph. Its the exact opposite of the individual/self which implies a collective.
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    Since "Danger" doesn't have an opposing glyph (yet) I'd say that it's "Perspective" + "Clear".
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    What does +Roland Jarvis​ have to say about their connection? I thought he embraced the ultimate.
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    +Andrew Bissel No, that there is a complementary N'Zeer "Ultimate" which they have in store for us. What is to them as the Ultimate is to Shapers.
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    +Daniel Beaudoin besides the obvious reason +Typhoon Jim hints at, there might be something different involved here.

    IIRC, some of the recent analysis of newly discovered Glyphs involved transformation in 3D space. Since visualization of 3D objects on 2D media is sometimes difficult, different colors are often used to indicate different orientations/views in 3D space.

    Which makes me wonder, +Stein Lightman  ... if Glyphs aren't actually 2D "drawings" as we see them on the scanner, but rather 3D objects which the scanner cannot display properly ... maybe there are different ways of viewing the same Glyph? ... like looking at the same object from along the X, Y or Z axis. Three different, perpendicular perceptions of the same thing. The Shapers' view, the N'zeer view, and a third one - which, actually, might just be the human view.
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  • Michael Edmond's profile photo
    If Hasbro produced that glyph then people would see a penis...
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    ...you don't?
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Wade Cleveland's profile photo
    This glyph looks just like "tulip". I think I'll call this one "rose". That's all this means. There is no hidden meaning.
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • ziky humanes (Otrovagomas)'s profile photo
    the relationship between creativity and portals is more than evident, anyone who has seen a couple of these nodes Xmp can intuit it effortlessly.

    still, we have to be careful with these because, as alice, we also dont know that you can find on the other side of the hole, barely intuit another species for a couple of loose ideas and babbling poorly expressed with gilf, do not know they want, or what their are looking, nor how easy it could be to them bow down or are interested in doing so, we only know that Xmp can make a tremendous influence on the human mind ... and you just have notions about how to control

    our duty. our responsibility is to protect humanity from the threat of confrontation with a mind capable of affecting the very essence of humanity in a blink (also protect the Enlightenment and its hopeless tendency to insert fingers into the sockets to see that occurs and call progress)

    who were the N'zeer? we only know (rather assume) that are defeated, we know that even their footprints were wiped off the earth, but little ... is the intensive Xmp which forged the path of its destruction? It was a struggle against shapers? was the destruction of the ancient portals which generated the decline? the irruption of the dark Xmp led to the debacle?

    all we can have for certain is that if we have to be careful with the words shapers whisper in our ears, we also have to be careful what we remove the N'zeer tombs, can not afford to fall into delirium as + Devra that in his eagerness to protect what he loved began to play with forces far beyond your understanding (and honestly, I think we've been fortunate to accomplish contain their virus ... fear the consequences that could manifest to break the link between creativity and Xmp

    sorry for my poor English is not my native language (thanks google translate for your help <3)
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Nate Hoy's profile photo
    We receive ordered data through our scanners, and Niantic has interpreted this as shapes on a grid, but what if it isn't?  When our scanners interact with a portal, we see the glyph sequence as a series of pictures, which we dutifully copy for our reward.

    But what if the Shapers, N'Zeer, or a completely different entity are looking for more?  What if they saw our TV broadcasts as complicated mathematical expressions, and they are experimenting with sending us simplified math problems to assess our intelligence, and we've just been parroting the problem back to them unsolved?

    Could one of the alien races that affects the portal network be trying to find whoever invented those math problems, and now be wondering if the monkeys repeating the problems back to them somehow exterminated the true humans?
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Bill Robitske (AimlessDreamer)'s profile photo
    Thank you, +Quantumingress Effectingress​, for mentioning the past/future mirror. What if our DANGER glyph, though in the present, indicates something past - realized danger, perhaps? If we mirror that concept horizontally, then we get a danger indicating something not yet come. Maybe a THREAT?
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    Makes sense. Rather like forget/ignore.

    This of course is the Shapers describing their enemies. So it won't be charitable or even perhaps very informative as to what the N'Zeer are.
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • 7's MULTISTOP's profile photo
    +Daniel Hawley​​
    And the main component in the apparent symbiotic opposites?...us... Humans... That's why I say we are being used by both. It is ultimately about XM and the ability to get us to use and manipulate it to further their objectives
    ( Shapers/NZ)
    Third faction??
    Do we need the Shapers/ADA?
    To this day a clear cut objective from either side has not been established.

    Just back and forth victories from either side
    ( RES/ENL) that really havn't benefited Humankind, only shapers or ADA.
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Adam Gilmore's profile photo
    if you look at it in a 3-dimensional space form overhead, maybe it's just the danger glyph repeated, pointing to the 4 cardinal points. thus, "danger all around you"?  Would seem fitting for the N'zeer.  I didn't read any of the previous comments either, tl;dr tbh.
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Mike Wissinger's profile photo
    +Typhoon Jim​ is it the shapers describing their enemies, or describing the effect the N'Zeer have on humanity? The glyphs trigger human responses. That may mean we were built to respond to glyphs or it may mean glyphs were discovered based on preexisting human capacity.
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    Or, alternately, how the glyph senders would like humanity to feel.

    Still not sure if glyphs are solely human targeted. I lean this way (I think they're an executable programming language for the mind)

    Speaking of glyph programming. Whatever happened to PenfieldWild anyway?
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Yevonne Williams's profile photo
    Could the N'Zeer be Shapers that had a different ideology? Perhaps they broke off from the mainstream and refused to have anything to do with them.
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    That is a conjecture that has basis in known fact. OLW has stated in the past that there are many sorts of Shapers. There have been many references to the idea of separate Shaper civilizations. The N'zeer could be a dissident sect (or, for that matter, the Shapers could be N'Zeer dissidents)
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Damien Wilson's profile photo
    Both the Shapers and the N'Zeer glyph contain the glyph for SEE. That may be in relation to their extra-dimensionality.

    Where are they anyway?
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    Dec 31, 2014
  • Parlo's profile photo
    I didn't followed the storyline from the beginning of the game but I'm beginning to be interested.

    What if:
    Shapers are on one side and N'zeer on the opposite, but both looking to control our minds?
    Shapers = enlighted = control through chaos = aiming to ultimate
    N'zeer = third faction = control through order = aiming to anti-ultimate or to ultimate through a different path

    So, can we figure resistance as the only faction that operates to avoid external influences?
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    Jan 2, 2015
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    Maybe. Thus far, however, all Resistance actions have aided the Anti-Magnus agenda directly.
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    Jan 2, 2015
  • Parlo's profile photo
    +Typhoon Jim​ ok, I need to update
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    Jan 3, 2015
  • BRAS1LE1RO's profile photo
    Será que a história do Ingress será dividido entre Ordem e Caos ?
    Salvação da humanidade ou Destruição da humanidade ?

    Ingresso de dois tipos de aliens na Terra, Shapers Andrômeda pra salvar a Terra e os N'zeer Reptilianos pra escravizar os humanos?

    Bem que os N'zeer poderia ser um inimigo para as duas facções Resistência e Iluminados lutarem juntos, contra um inimigo comum. #BrilhanteIdeia
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    Feb 7, 2015
  • Shart Bake's profile photo
    Nice! I've been doing some glyph research, although I'm still an amateur, I have recorded 100 glyphs, N'zeer will make 101.
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    Feb 11, 2015
  • Shart Bake's profile photo
    +Nate Hoy excellent observation! I do think it could be possible to reply to certain glyph patterns with specific responses using other glyph patterns, perhaps activating coded instructions within the portal, causing it to generate specific items or other effects such as linking or whatever.
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    Feb 11, 2015
  • Shart Bake's profile photo
    Since some glyphs resemble what they translate to, and N'zeer appeared near the Shonin event, there could be a connection. The enlightened spiral resembles an eye, the resistance glyph is a key, the human glyph looks like a shield, shapers looks like a helmet, and N'zeer looks like a spear or arrow. Of the glyphs I've seen, the following seem to share some similarities with N'zeer; peace/harmony, clear, body, danger, harm, see, & less.
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    Feb 11, 2015
  • Adam Pinsky's profile photo
    I wonder.... Is it known whether or not a glyph is strictly translated with a singular interpretation. That is to say, are there any examples of when a glyph (i.e. "clear") on one occasion is intended to be translated as a verb ([v]: free of obstruction; 'to clear one's throat or conscience'), and on an other occasion it's intended to be translated as adjective ([adj]: readily apparent to the mind; 'the intentions were clear to all who witnessed')? Thanks in advance for the clarification. 😉
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    Oct 26, 2015
  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    +Adam Pinsky If you're asking whether a glyph can be different words in different contexts, absolutely. A good example is the glyph "Liberate", which has alternately been translated as "Abandon".

    Within the scanner glyph sequences we can find shared meanings for several things (Again, Repeat; Breathe, Live; Distance, Outside; Harmony, Peace; Evolution, Success; and Not, Inside) 
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  • Adam Pinsky's profile photo
    +Typhoon Jim that's not quite what I was wondering. The Glyph reference page lists the the known synonymous translations of a particular glyph. I was curious if anyone knows of an instance wheen a glyph is used homonymously.
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    Oct 26, 2015
  • Adam Pinsky's profile photo
    +Typhoon Jim Also, I thank you for entertaining my curiosity.
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  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    +Adam Pinsky Certainly. For example, "advance" is used both in terms of "advancing" as in improvement (more data gain portal advance, advance civilization pursue shaper path, and also something probably more literal (hide struggle advance strong together.)

    "want" is used similarly: "escape mind body self want" implies "want" as in the Buddhist concept of desire, and "want truth now" is more direct in terms of "wanting" something.

    Some of the uses of "War" imply an overall war, or "warring" against something.

    Balance and Perfection are used similarly, and there's even a known sequence wherein the same glyph means two things (perfection balance safety all)
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The infinite. The boundless. It is an idea, but it is also tangible. It is our home.

What would happen if it were possible to see beyond its perimeter? Who would we become? What would happen to our inquisitive nature, our thirst for knowledge and discovery?

My work with the #Helios Artifacts is coming to an end, and these are the questions on my mind.
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This has been one of the most challenging Glyphs to emerge from the #Helios  Artifacts.

Here's a hint. Compare this to the Glyph for Perfection/Balance.

It seems to represent an opposite, and yet, the opposite of Perfection would be Chaos, a sharp, imbalanced form. Jagged and fear-inducing.

This one, on the other hand, seems fragile. Symmetrical and pleasing, but delicately, perhaps preciously balanced. Something that could easily lose its perfect position and shatter if disturbed.

It's a riddle.

It is imperfect, but beautiful. Imbalanced but fragile, and perhaps worth protecting.

I think I've figured it out. Can you?
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  • B-dub 7ER4IAY8's profile photo
    Glyph hacking should tie into missions somehow. Just saying.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Ian “Atrus” Gazzotti's profile photo
    Seems like a definition of life, or humanity.

    Though, technically, the opposite of imperfection wouldn't be chaos but imperfection.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • séain Gutridge's profile photo
    They're both shaped like rays. 
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Dawid Jabluszewski's profile photo
    Unstability?
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Geo Walter's profile photo
    +Stein Lightman for some reason it reminds me more "the egg of Columbus", something unlikely to be achieved... may be UTOPIA ...?!? 

    Or maybe I get it wrong. If it is connected to PERFECTION, it could be IDEAL = something worth of achieving but achieved not yet. 
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Pump “PumpDrivrx” Drivrx's profile photo
    It screams fungi to me. +Stein Lightman I hate to be a judge of character but you don't seem to be a fungi.😉
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Axel Lorenzen-Zabel (oeLLph)'s profile photo
    I see here a lindenleaf...
    Remember the prince of xanten Siegfried. He bathed in the blood of a dragon he killed and became invulnerable except for a spot on his back where a lindenleaf was adhered to his skin.
    Without this vulnerable spot he would be perfect.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Melissa L.'s profile photo
    +Geo Walter  In that vein, perhaps it could be Growth or Mortality because it takes your Self out of the equation.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Geo Walter's profile photo
    +Melissa L. Good point with the "SELF" exclusion! 

    +Stein Lightman  Another word which I get on mind is ASCEND / ASCENSION. 
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Thomas Arteaga (Zynroch)'s profile photo
    As +Ian Gazzotti has already implied/said, it seems like the antonym of perfection is life. Life is beautiful, but imperfect. Life is imbalanced, but fragile. Something definitely worth protecting.

    If you overlay this glyph with perfection, they line up perfectly--as if it were two halves of a greater whole.

    +Stein Lightman, have you pondered on what the combination of these glyphs could be?
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • sean hinckley's profile photo
    It could be ordered chaos. Such as fi or the golden ratio? Something that's perfect because from afar it's chaotic but up close its perfectly ordered.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Ossi Hanhinen's profile photo
    Pleasing, delicately balanced. Sounds like a Dream or as +Geo Walter said, Utopia.
    However, my intuition said Love. Something fragile, but worth protecting. Also, since the upper part is often other/you, and the lower part me/self (consider the directions of I/You, Attack/Defend, etc.), the glyph seems to strongly reach out towards the other from self.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • sean hinckley's profile photo
    Life and death?
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Ossi Hanhinen's profile photo
    +Thomas Arteaga Hmm.. This glyph and Perfection overlayed would be the same as Clear All and Die combined. This could be interpreted as somekind of an afterlife, perhaps?
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Thomas Arteaga (Zynroch)'s profile photo
    +Ossi Hanhinen I completely forgot about the die glyph being in there. Could that mean Clear.All.Death? A reset from death? Resurrection?
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Geo Walter's profile photo
    +Thomas Arteaga looks more like afterlife +Ossi Hanhinen mentioned, Ascension (have you ever seen SG? ;)) 
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Nozomi “IBAShinobi” Shinobu-Crest's profile photo
    I posted a visual of the new glyph and Balance/Perfection overlaid together here:
    https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z130upvhpzqzjjddk22ctbljdzr2gl1qi04
    I thought it might be nice to have a visual representation handy.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Sia “BlackHorse23” Abderezai's profile photo
    Child/Baby/Initial/Kernel/Heart/Dream/Clove/Aligned/Alliance////////// Allignment. It's something that is imbalanced imperfect but still beautiful, imbalanced and fragile and worth protecting. It matches elements of "chaos", "avoid", and a half of "All" a along with "clear" , and it works as an opposing counter to "perfection/balance".

    Other serious guess would be "Dream" / "Vision"/ "Ideal (Ideology)"
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Kulendra Janaka's profile photo
    Unstable; that's what it could mean. There are two ways you can balance a hammer, on its head where it would stay with handle up most the time. Or you balance it on the handle, where it may still rest, but the slightest movement could end the balance.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Skylar Buffington's profile photo
    It isn't the opposite of Perfection/Balance, but rather it seems to complete it or to serve as the counterpoint of perfection. The riddle and the comparison seem to form the idea of uniqueness in my mind. Something that counterpoints perfection... Something imperfect and imbalanced, but still valuable. Perhaps this is the Glyph for unique?
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Jim Lai's profile photo
    Perfection is reminiscent of a stable top. We are looking for the complement, not the opposite. Beauty? Like a flower?
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Mike Wissinger's profile photo
    Not perfect but still positive could translate to fragile or unique.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Matt Tovey's profile photo
    Let's face it. It's a tree.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Brent Werlein's profile photo
    Equality?
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Kulendra Janaka's profile photo
    or Equilibirium although I have not see a glyph that gives that much of a complicated meaning.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    Serenity.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Brent Werlein's profile photo
    Now that I think about it.  what about Peace?  To have peace does not always mean thing will be perfect, but peace is beautiful.  While we are at peace we are balanced yet fragile as one wrong move could set off a war.  And Peace is always worth protecting.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Juan José Mongelós's profile photo
    +Stein Lightman Perfection Glyph is a pendulum, balance stable.. the other Glyph would be an inverted pendulum, balance unstable

    I not think it means "imperfection".. There is another type of Perfección.

    UNSTABLE
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • J.J. Ramirez's profile photo
    +Daniel Beaudoin "I am a leaf on the wind; watch how I soar."
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Mike Wissinger's profile photo
    Interesting that PERFECTION includes SELF, whereas the new glyph has the portion of ALL that does not include SELF, with the portion of CLEAR that is outside enclosed space.  In both cases, DIE is what divides the segments.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Fev's profile photo
    Fev+4
    Adding these to my urban glyph dictionary. Leaf and Stingray.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    OMG, +Fevenis Silverwind please tell me you really have an Urban Glyph Dictionary.
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    Sep 8, 2014
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    Fev+4
    Hahaha, only in my head atm. Sounds like I need to make one though.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Bingo's profile photo
    it totally means stingray.....
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Denis Cesar's profile photo
    What about the grayed text on the bottom of the first image?
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    +Denis Cesar encrypted passcode.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Matt newman's profile photo
    It sounds like life, beautiful and imperfect fragile and certainly worth protecting. Life unlike synthetics like Ada is defined and made better by it's fragility and imperfections.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • JoJo Stratton's profile photo
    not ray - Horseshoe Crab
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Thomas Arteaga (Zynroch)'s profile photo
    +JoJo Stratton Your right...it does look like a horseshoe crab!
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Ben Ostrowsky's profile photo
    I believe this glyph represents ECOSYSTEM. Ecology is at the heart of Ingress strategy: if you protect valuable portals too well, your opponents will evolve a new tactic using alignment viruses; if you try to claim too large a range, you make yourself vulnerable; if you don't nurture your young, your group will fall behind.

    The ECOSYSTEM of Ingress is balanced between two factions who play fairly, but a third force, the cheaters, endanger that balance. It is worth protecting.
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    Sep 8, 2014
  • Ryana “Angelica” Sasso's profile photo
    fig leaf & ivy leaf
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    Sep 9, 2014
  • Kevin Novell's profile photo
    EXPONENTIAL
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    Sep 28, 2014
  • Dr. Doof (Dr. Doof)'s profile photo
    The glyph seems to flip PERFECTION, but it adds DEATH and the roots of BEFORE and AFTER. 

    If you add them together, you get CLEAR ALL DEATH. 

    So, what destroys death when it's combined with perfection...?
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    Oct 11, 2014
  • Mazzaion H4us's profile photo
    +Ossi Hanhinen yes exactly what I say the upper half is your Higher Self your soul self and if your body is in balance it can support thats old self existing through the body. It also has a lot to do with this engine without man standing up and self-confidence there would be no balance of the soul in the body for the soul is more power then the body understands and has to actually let go and allow the soul to take over Universal working through all possibilities and all potential God no edges nudges rush into balance we can fall forward flat on her face mother nature the gravity the grounding of light energy life energy and information mathematically in the codex of 1 through 9 that a clock put on the glyph face would reveal a 9 to 3d. 9 nine now intention now energy can be either good or bad and stand balanced because there is no true balance except that which God put into place within the soul body extension matrix the balance is up to you and your choices that you make there is a point to this. Any post can be dug and semen cemented into place and any length of a balance can be spread upon this cross but at a certain length things start falling down to the earth or some things down. Bende birding. But nothing can bend over and fall from the grace of a grounded soul body of creator's projecting truth and certain restrictions apply. Kenetically restrictions on purpose by saving the body of the kar. I feel that faces made of the elements of the word of emotional empathy from the outset is a journey to rewarding of a literal indeed physical balance between time. Past future. Negative past pulled apart all thing's. But not words not wisdom not emotion. Not the soul's source. GOD'S TEMPLE'S. OUR GOAL IS TO BE AWAKEN N ZEER. NOWTIME SEER. SEE 4D. INTENTION OF DOING. GRACE. Growth 4 ace. Unfortunately because because because. 1 2 3d is seen not understood yet exists viewed. 2nd 2 act. Pusey an infusion of intent to information. 11 2.
    No objects . A period. Phy every r4 I 3d or said built believing potentiality in 5th dimension. Underversed. In versed understanding. V. V acting as the most important thing in common with purposes. We're all set up the same way physical and mental emotional. Innocence past issues into nowtime pinched. Frozen in it's place till someone or animal moves or messes with it. Through out history those who have found wise powerful thought without understanding of it. Pearl of mankind is a soul that I am living undercover in between past and future. Timeless love purposes of programmer, allows thought reflected to provide the brainstorming forced by contacting key's like a sigil the glyph of quantum self-confidence accepted by God's love for you, is designed to provide you with your heart and soul, joy wonder and sparkling the ity in you of god powered phisical and appreciate powerful Devine gifts. We call it. If you knew that every single thing and personality must be its own experience. This is language. 11 god 17 of heaven. One setting on on. 4d joyful capturing of ram is thoughts realm. 4d because 3d to exist has a full range of reasons. 5th grade understanding. Perceptions of the world as we all seperated have of nowtime going this 6. This nowtime going. Future of our own manifest unchanging constant every this. 7 in decay no. 6 this decay are due to time's line. Don't cross the time line or time is nolonger. 7 cet. Deadwood living ing in now going 8 infinity buckle off managing to be conduit forward to the decimation of life. Loving living learning wording. 9th d. Perfection of object tivity. Holding to the pole. Line of timespace holding the past understanding objective is of. Often badly used by Elite carelessly perform the world creating by past personal fronts to all sin purpose. This actually as a glyph goes is a 9. Mime nine bind. Ma nature of the vibrant organic created by God's love for the gifts that you can suggest asking for. Belief in yourself is 9 I. One within ability to create any interest.

    Mother nature of the and man through god's once created, keeps on going on with creator's reality. Coma or common, or comma, is results of :-) (kenetically ' s secrets of Pandora)<-35k. ][opportunity for joyful capturing of awareness of all lifetimes of the world as Christ come in flesh as I am phi. Pi of the life line of god creators divine gifts of potential to make work motherly computer actually works for me. By I n forming me know what I believe? I didn't die as saved by the way I was by God's handed out to me the key's to talking within his understanding and offered to me by ways verification everything objectives constant communication with meaning manifest intelligence. No computer see or can you even. The combination of wide fielded views are pointing out that the codex of life's reflected in the physical world in objects he or art in creation.. accordingly pi or polished
    May be that ma that's future watching is past editing tooling this communication in time synchronize as in all synthetics builtin to reality are my own minds experience explained by a coma state fully. No other way around it. All that I ever knew or imagined is in play in our lives on earth. As well established people who want to build a physical joy fi) ed future need parents tt to get the best of outcomes like twins. We know all people's are unique. All rocks are too. Exceptional quality of life. God bless, come on. Truth is not emotionless. Love is joy in physical and mental and soul and in gods breath of life in allamation. Those that believe that the hope of imagined heaven, is a purposefully active loving purpose of humanity to helping one another to create heaven on earth. How? Zxm. Zeman zhaiam.
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    Nov 6, 2014
  • Voron Xarya's profile photo
    Kyle - ASCENSION would do that.  The two together totally look like a Peace Symbol.  Is there a glyph for TRANSFORMATION yet?  In the occult, Death is closely associated with transformation.  DIE seems to be central to it.  DISTANCE is in there.  Kinship to LEAD, LIBERATE, ESCAPE, POTENTIAL, VICTORY, END/CLOSE.  It looks like SPIRIT and MIND have blossomed forth.
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    Dec 23, 2014
  • Mazzaion H4us's profile photo
    +Voron Xarya a very jutted interpretation. Discriptive dei deity Devine dynamic
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    Dec 24, 2014
  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    +Ishira Tsubasa I'm also curious to your thoughts on this one.
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  • Ishira “Glyph Hunter” Tsubasa's profile photo
    There is Ignore, more, forget, die/death, distance/outside. The opposite of self, balance/perfection, destination, outside/distance, and discover are also present.

    Like +Stein Lightman pointed out without fear present in this glyph, I don't feel that the glyph itself is suppose to show a direct form of fear… I had a conversation with +Achim about this glyph and this was some of the observations then


    https://plus.google.com/+AchimMetamorphis/posts/7QmwcTKejbS


    Personally I feel this glyph isn't focused on the opposite of perfection really but rather on Instability and as pointed out in the discussion vulnerability. It is even possible it's a glyph focussed on our own mortality which is in it's own way fragile. The composition of this glyph is immense compared to other glyphs and it's composition isn't entirely known as the opposites I pointed out are also unknown at this time. Yes, we have an idea of what they could be, but I'd be writing a book here if I wrote everything I thought on this glyph. Maybe I'll make a post on it soon to express all of my thoughts.

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I am quite amazed at how helpful the research conducted by members of +Operation Essex has been in helping to unlock the meaning of the unknown #Helios  Glyph I shared some days ago.

Their 3D-rotational research has always been an interesting study, but never before have I seen it truly lead to an accurate interpretation of an unknown Glyph.

Based on our combined research, I am comfortable stating that the unknown glyph means: 'Interrupt'.

My fellow Glyph researchers: You have my gratitude and admiration.
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Unknown Glyph from +Stein Lightman 2014-08-14

We share in Dr. +Stein Lightman's conclusion that this form of communication is reaching a level of consciousness that is beyond our current human abilities to understand.

Our initial rotational analysis was not showing anything of significance. As these glyphs sequences become more complex it has been harder to decipher their meanings. Leading our researchers in directions we have not experienced before.

When we placed this glyph on the 3 Dimensional Glyph Grid and rotated it through a 90° horizontal rotation, we still did not see anything of significance.

So the idea was suggested to apply the concept of the multi-dimensional input device discovered last year.

https://plus.google.com/108663751783565898023/posts/GYyC38dvFrL

Mirroring the glyphs is a controversial subject, however it has proven to be helpful in the past.  If the portals are indeed micro wormhole structures created with XM, then those on the opposite side of these wormholes would have a different point of view. This could be expressed by mirroring what we see in this universe.

Applying this method did return results. The combination glyph of Clear, Destroy / Destruction.

Then we continued the rotation through the 180° vertical axis and this created the Clear, Create / Creation combination glyph.

Destruction and Creation has been a common theme throughout all of our research. Leading us to believe this is the primary concern of those who created these portals and the glyphs sequences that control them.

It has been said that the higher XM concentration levels around portals leads humans to greater creativity and destruction. 

The Clear Glyph in these sequences should also be noted. Possibly a reference to what would happen if this effect on humanity was no longer there. Such as standing clear of the portal effect or clearing the portal of XM so the effects are no longer prevalent. 

This lead our researchers to rotating back to the original orientation. This created a new glyph as before only mirrored.

The original glyph ( in red ) was mentioned by Dr. Stain Lightmen to possibly relate to the Clear, Portal and Past Glyphs. 

We believe that the Clear function could be referencing a way to turn off the effects of XM.

The Portal relationship maybe a function of closure. Taking the Opening/Doorway/Portal Glyph and pinching off the common central point you cut off the two sides of the micro-wormhole leaving only the original glyph we see in red.

This analysis leads us to believe this new glyph is the opposite representation of the Open Port glyph we have seen in the past. And the it is expressing what would happen if a portal was closed.

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    Interruption of XM seems the more plausible suggestion. The Shapers use portals to move XM into our world. Since the glyphs are their form of communication it is likely that they are concerned with the flow of XM.
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    Great. Next, we need GOTO, IF and PRINT. Than we can code some cool stuff in GlyphBasic ... Ah, and don't forget BEEP or for Portals perhaps better GLOW ... Than we can create very shiny portal art with the portals 😁
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    +James Thirteen Wonderful work.
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    +Daniel Golesny In that case we will most certainly also need the glyphs for HELLO and WORLD.
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    Hmmm, could be useful for overriding an already running glyph sequence, like the one that suppressed Klue.
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    There are some definite advantages to an interrupt Glyph. Now I wonder how it is used in context? Perhaps +Devra Bogdanovich's portal virus actually uses an embedded form of this Glyph? 
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    Flows are interrupted.
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    Debra's virus interrupts the normal function of the portals. The virus was already released into the portal systems. It seems a natural evolution for the glyphs to mention it.
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    wow - does interrupt mean a temporary slow down or a permenent change
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In my time with +Martin Schubert, I have come to greatly respect his scientific integrity.

Rumors about his previous academic work are in poor spirit. Judgment about the efficacy of his current research should be withheld until a clearer picture of his predictions emerges.
+Martin Schubert is a brilliant scientist, but I have a hard time forgetting that he came into the +Niantic Project as a skeptic, running away from rumors that his academic opinions often followed grants and other forms of compensation.
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    It would help if +Martin Schubert actually shared his research with the world instead of keeping it secret. He is no better than +Devra Bogdanovich in hiding the truth from the public.

    Everybody lies. +H. Richard Loeb is pointing out his potentially corrupt past. If +Martin Schubert was willing to give up his principles & ethics for his own personal gain, it is possible the XM corporations are influencing his opinion in these matters.

    We need transparency. We need the data.
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    We're all looking forward to the pudding in which his hypothesis' truth can be found
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    +Stein Lightman need to talk to you in Hangouts. It's important.
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    Many agents are frustrated that his predictions of slowed decay have not yet come to pass... That's enough for some to throw up their arms in despair and walk away. That doesn't bode well for +Martin Schubert.
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    Everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves, and everyone is entitled to a change of heart. Time will prove intentions. That's true for everyone.
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    It's interesting that Devra didn't deny that a sufficiently high MU count could suppress her portal virus. It appears no one truly knows what will happen.
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    One way or another, everybody seems to have an opinion on their own research.  Past merits behind us, only time will tell who is right in this current situation.  But it begs the question, are there other points of view at all?
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    Another possibility is a last desperate to capture and sample mind units before the portals shut down for good. Lynton-Wolfe seemed to know of a use for captured mind units, but he hasn't spoken to that yet that I know of.
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    So your advice is to not consider his opinions?
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    +Stein Lightman I'd ask what +H. Richard Loeb's motivation for dredging up rumours and innuendo from more than two years ago is.  Is he perhaps pandering to a request from his two girlfriends to discredit a scientist who may be detrimental to their efforts?
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As you encounter new players, teach them usage of the glyphs.  From the glyphs comes knowledge. From knowledge comes wisdom. From Wisdom comes survival.  Report any new glyphs you discover.
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An epiphany came over me as I studied the Krakow document. Initially I had ignored this scrawled form... it had too many strokes to be considered a valid Glyph.

Then it struck me. It could indeed be a Glyph, but crossed out as if to say 'NO!'

I do not yet know what it means, it covers every point on the calibration grid with spokes radiating out from the center.

My research into this form continues, but I wanted to share the discovery immediately, for as always, the revelations emerging from this community have often been most thought inspiring.
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    Clear, Create/Creation, Destroy/Destruction all overlaid...

    Clear/End a cycle of creation and destruction?

    Maybe like a metaphysical "Clear All"
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    Here be dragons. Enter at your own peril.
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    Reset?
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    +Anthony Castanza I considered Breathe + Die + Clear as well. That interpretation could also refer to an end to some kind of circular existence.
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    It appears like a broadened "future" and "past" glyph that are meeting in the middle with the clear all off I'm not mistaken. It's this symbolism for the present?
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    +Stein Lightman That interpretation should interest Hank Johnson... A simulacrum might be interested to find out whether it ends with Breathing or with Dying.
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    +Stein Lightman Interesting... If I remember correctly +Hank Johnson was attempting to use the #Recursion Artifacts to end his recursive cycle. Could this glyph be part of the "programming language" for the Atrifacts? Maybe since its crossed out, someone's unsuccessful attempt?
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    All past and future will converge into one point. The singularity I've been reading about lately. That's my thought.
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    +Gerald Raucamp a singularity point or a transitional point. I believe this glyph represents the cycle of a simulacrum. From past to future. And the clear all represents the list of the present memories collected during the 1337 days before the new form takes over.
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    +Juan Aguayo   since I'm an ENL player, I hope for a transitional point of course, and not this Klue/ADA machine singularity :)
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    +Gerald Raucamp then does this glyph present a warning to the enlightened? Does it serve as a cautionary tale to those who seek to use their bodies as xm constructs hence the clear all resulting in the loss of memories and, one could argue, loss of humanity?
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    Note that the first picture is not identical to the second picture.
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  • Тнøмås Яêãd's profile photo
    Creation, destruction, clear.
    It's the cycle of existence itself. All 3 of these are needed for the universe as we know it to be.

    The yin yang theory has a little known third component, wuji or the void.
    Creation, destruction, clear or void.
    +Hank Johnson comes to mind.
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    Perhaps this is the glyph for the third path... third faction?
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    Insignia of Devra's faction?
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    There are a lot of subglyphs inside, much of them representing the beggining and end of something, combined with Clear.
    I think this might mean something very apocaliptic, clearing everything, deleting past, future, even the concept of creation and destruction, life and death. Which suggest the nullification of XM loosing the driving force of civilizations.

    I think this is either a protest sign from the outer space against Devra, but it appeared on a century old document filled with Dragons!
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    This is not a glyph.
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    "No" (Speed Bonus)
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    +Alexandre-Claude Poon    how creative and exciting thoughts :D You are right, that this is not a glyph, it's a combination of many glyphs, overlayed with a simple human symbol. When I first saw it, Th following came to my mind: starfish, star-nosed mole, Cthulhu, and the Elder Things from the short story, "At the Mountains of Madness"
    +Yik Sheng Lee   In this case simulacrum will be the first  word that has multiple glyphs, because there was a lot of speculation (Human minus Body and so on)
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    I think it means all open , there is an all closed but i dont think therebis an all open yet ...
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    +Josh Greener There is. You see it as part of several sequences. (it's just open plus all)
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    Who protests the meaning of this glyph? What hand crossed it out?
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    +Chico Theeman  good question, some say it was +Hank Johnson  but I did not found the base of this statement (+Yik Sheng Lee  if you have it, could you share it please?)
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    Singularity, Origin - Two lightcones past and future and three axes meeting in a single point.
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    Create, Destroy, Clear or Breathe, Die, Clear laid atop each other with no sense of order could represent a repeating cycle.
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    3 different paths crossing over?
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  • Péter Csiszár's profile photo
    It jst came to my mind that what if the glyphs flashed so quickly in the mind of the individual who has drawn it, that he couldn't separate them.
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    X in Greek is also Chi.
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    All of this talk about dragons and cycles calls to mind Ouroboros. The dragon eating it's own tail.
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    Clear, live, and die are the glyphs I see when I see this.
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    Unless I misread the text, I thought that shape was the 'star' shape mentioned as the black obelisk itself.  It does not need to be a glyph, it was the grid.  You could make any glyph on it through some medium and it essentially was a master (or original) portal for communication or travel.
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    This glyph is making me think of time. Most likely in terms of Chronus (as apposed to Aion). This may possibly have something to do with the upcoming anomalies and our time traveling friend +Hubert Farlowe.
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    It's the circle of life, crossed out may mean it's interrupted for the lives of a simulacrum.
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    Is the placement on the document significant, or was it just a doodle at that spot?  I wonder why it was added after and if it was added by the same person.
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    Can it be a combination of two glyphs? 
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    Meditation, is what this glyph reminds me of. So perhaps it could mean to meditate or ponder. For in meditation we slow our breath, lose or forget oneself and personal thoughts to open ourselves to the outside world and beyond. Some people believe that when we do this we are in essence killing the ego(the consciousness of ourselves), in order to better understand our higher self or any other thing that is reflected upon.
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    Upon further examination, I believe this glyph to represent the essence of Life which scientists think is locked away in our DNA. Which this glyph seems to immulate from the Black Stone the document is describing.
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    +Stein Lightman If the previous unknown glyph was "dark" or "night", would this one then represent "day" or "light"?  It is vaguely reminiscent of the sun.

    If we fear the darkness, then we find comfort in the light?
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    Darkness equates with ignorance; Light with knowledge.  Perhaps these glyphs have two meanings?
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    Spark/ Thus/ Moment of clarity/ Instance/ Instance before instance/ Fusion/ Chaos Birthing/ Light Brought to/ Order Out of Chaos/ From Within the Without a new entrance. 

    You are welcome Doctor.
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    Clear; Create/Destroy; Live (breathe)/Die; less/more; Path/Barrier; improve/deteriorate.  This is a Zen Glyph.  A Tao glyph.  This is the Great Work, the Ecstasy found in the annihilation/combination of opposites.  There's Activity as well as a Serenity (not to be confused with harmony/peace) here, but nothing matters anymore.  It reminds me of the first Sephira Kether, and the Trance of Indifference. (see Little Essays Towards Truth by Aleister Crowley)
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    +Edgar Allan Wright worth looking into. +Verity Seke 
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    +Tom Rothwell This is a very old post. New glyphs have arisen, but this one is not included. Application into scanner was not feasible.
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    +Julianna Whitehead I remembered hearing +Edgar Allan Wright ask about a glyph that appeared somewhere but had been crossed out. Probably not related based off the date :/
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    +Tom Rothwell This is the one.
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I've been pondering the meaning of this Glyph.

Truth be told, it came to me in an odd moment of insight and I can't recall exactly what triggered it. Certainly recent comments and revelations from +Roland Jarvis were at the front of my mind at the time.

Since the discovery of the Krakow document, information has come to light that I believe will help us solve this mystery. Investigators have painstakingly deciphered the scrawled notations that line the document (here: https://goo.gl/MjrC99). The first page of the document features a shape evocative of the Glyph for 'Fear.' The final page shows what I believe to be the exact Glyph that appeared in my mind. The story printed on the pages itself is a sort of nightmare, a man who witnesses a strange and demonic ritual with a dark history.

The idea I'm pursuing is complex. It will take me some time to understand, much less express, what I believe this Glyph may express.

I do not believe this Glyph represents fear or danger, and certainly also nothing as literal as a dragon or mythic beast... Rather, I think this represents the reason fear exists in the first place. The reason humanity has invented, through imagination and time, constructs such as dragons and the great beasts and monsters of myth and reality.

We've often thought of fear as a survival tool, something that came with us from the caves when we were the hunted and predators were everywhere. Perhaps, biologically, it came even earlier in our evolution.

But what if it was something more? 

Our survival instinct expresses itself as fear. Is every creature's survival instinct experienced so? We are what we are today because we have the ability to modulate between a few different kinds of signals. Fear is most certainly one of them. 

I look forward to your assistance in piecing together this puzzle.
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    So the reason of fear, ancient horrors, visions of Lovecraft, Derleth and Poe, the muse behind Goya's Black paintings, nightmares of Giger and Beksiński.

    In this case I think there is no correct translations, even horror is too kind for it, because this represents the most visceral fear one can feel.
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    This glyph is the maelstrom in the the water that Jarvis likes to talk about so much.
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    Similar to chaos/disorder but upside down.
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    We fear because we have no power/understanding/knowledge.

    When some of us achieves more power or when we enlighten, fear don't take place in our world anymore.

    This glyph could mean "hope/continue", because those who lost themselves in fear have fewer or any strength to fight, to move on. Hope is not a simple achievement idea, that's the cause of so many choices/lines that you have to drawn in order to advance and conquer freedom.

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    It feels to me to evoke a sense of what is called in German, "Das Unheimliche" or "uncanny". We are drawn to the uncanny as we are repulsed from it. 

    This is a reminder of the forbidden, in Freud. Another related concept is that which the Trobriand islanders call "mokita," the truth everyone knows but no one speaks. The uncanny is a secret that is yet known to all. We reject without engaging the rational mind. 
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    A duck. Symbol of just wisdom
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    Could this be a composite glyph? I feel the base of the glyph is DISCOVER. The curved elision suggests a connection to another glyph.

    A primal fear is that of being preyed upon and consumed. Perhaps PREDATOR is the underlying meaning.
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  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    If this glyph represents the "cause of fear" and in studying it +Stein Lightman has highlighted the line "Foul things.  Shapes from hell." in the text...
    Perhaps this is the glyph that specifically represents the maleficent "Shapers" that have been theorized.
    If there is a dichotomy among Shapers, i.e. Good and Bad Shapers, this might symbolize those that would cause harm and destruction.  Those that would drive men mad.
    Chaotic Shapers?  Dark Shapers?
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    +Stein Lightman +Daniel Beaudoin I agree. This is evocative of why all humanity feels a thrill at being plunged naked into deep, dark water. Only one translation makes sense to me: "Nightmare."
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    +Jim Lai I thought much the same at first. The only other glyph I could imagine apart from "discover" was an abbreviated "hide." Almost sounds like a paradox.
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    +Jim Lai it almost says "discover" "path" and one other unknown thing.
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    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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    Now you're going to tell me dragons aren't real? I has a sad...
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    +Kurt Miklia I've been thinking nightmare as well, since fears are usually involved and the intensity on the mind is noteworthy, yet in a dream state, it's not real. I wonder if this leans toward that, or more towards a literal nightmare born in reality?
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    +Jose Ramirez The way I thought about it was as a primordial fear born of genetic memories, instincts formed long ago in our evolutionary past before we had language or reason to rationally confront what we fear. I mentioned water in my original reply because I think its a very easy environment for people to experience that feeling, even though in the warm friendly shallows we see the ocean as a thing of aesthetic beauty.

    So in a sense to address your question, both. I think that the nightmare comes from things that were very real, even in our more enlightened state we know that we can conquer our fears. Not always in our dreams, however.
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    +Daniel Beaudoin - This is exactly what I picked up from this. Not that I believe Shapers are a force for good; they are a force for order. It seems likely that they have a chaotic counterpart, and it looks like these beings are even worse.
    I think they have control of +Devra Bogdanovich.
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    Is this the vision that destabilized Carrie Campbell during Operation Minotaur? The line of myth to follow from the Minotaur (e.g., Asterion) may be fruitful.
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    Shapers, just like agents on the anomaly battlefield, seem to have roles.  Some build [civilizations] some destroy [civilizations].  Just as it appears to be only seconds apart as portals are built and destroyed on the battlefield, so may it seem to ancient Shapers as cities rise and fall.
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    Say, that dragon's head sketched on the first page... it almost looks like there could be glyphs hidden in there. The three dots on the forehead look like part of the calibration grid, although I'm not sure that any other part of it lines up correctly.
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    The glyph for BREATHE atop the dots on the head? Or LESS?
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    +Jim Lai I was thinking Breathe as well. It also means "Live." The dragon lives? This could just be reaching though.
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    Could we be looking ad something like abomination? The concept of that which must be avoided at all cost, certainly applied over broadly by many cultures, does recognize that some things are inherently destructive. Thanatos to the Eros of curiosity & discovery.
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    At first glance, it seemd like the "Chaos"-glyph turned at an angle of 180 degrees. This would usually express the opposite of the meaning (create-destroy, attack-defend, past-future, gain-loss, ...). But  the first two strokes in the upper right don't match the "Chaos"-glyph, so it could be something that would look like it's in order but in fact isn't. As mythical entities were used to explain natural phenomens, that couldn't be resolved at that time.
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    +Mike Wissinger That certainly would mesh well with what +Roland Jarvis said about this. Most cultures have an idea of a creature or place that is the antithesis of all that civilization and mankind stand for, and serve as a type of ultimate death.
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    Eros and Thanatos are twins.
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    +Sam Gan Or, perhaps they gave us this warning of something they have encountered, and made sure we know it's dangerous.
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    I think of it as rather like Childhood's End.

    Perhaps the Shapers made a grave error in the past, and are still dealing with the consequences. They may have encoded warnings so that we know not to tangle with certain things.
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    The Shaper equivalent of a biohazard or radioactive waste warning?
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    Think of it like this:

    "The U.S. Department of Energy has been grappling with that problem recently, as they designed the warning markers to use at Yucca Mountain and at the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) nuclear waste storage facilities. There's no telling who might be around to exhume our radioactive sins in future centuries, but the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) mandates that warnings be erected which will warn away potential intruders for the next 10,000 years, whomever those intruders may be."

    http://www.damninteresting.com/this-place-is-not-a-place-of-honor/
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    It looks like the word "Avoid" to my eyes
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    The glyph looks vagely like a coiled rattlesnake.
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    I think the concept behind the so-called "Mare" glyph is pretty straight forward, its one of the oldest concepts in human history, that of the "outsider" or "other", one who by by not being part of your own tribe is an unknown quantity making them a threat by default.

    Its really the same as the other primordial fear of the darkness, the unknown, the outsider.
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    Is there a word, perhaps in another language that sums all of this up into one term?
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    I figured "uncanny" was good.
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    +Stein Lightman Perhaps this one represents "night" or "darkness"?  

    After all, darkness and fear have gone hand-in-hand throughout our history as humans.  A very common rhetorical/philosophical question is "why do we fear the darkness"?
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    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that when placed upon the scanner's calibration grid, it looks like a  cube.  I too, see correlation to Discover, path, Chaos, Outside, Perfection, but also Potential.  It kind of looks like Potential in triplicate.  Coupled with the manuscript, it makes me think of Power or Powers.  But with a sinister connotation, not that Power needs that - we all know "power corrupts."
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    +Stein Lightman The Shapers have their own glyph.  Does this glyph, "the reason for fear," represent the N'zeer?
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    The reason for fear... then is this glyph indeed a symbol of survival?
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    Acute fear is one thing.
    Chronic fear is quite another.

    Acute fear lies in the real present.
    Chronic fear lies in the imaginary future.

    The reason for chronic fear? Simple enough:
    Seeing life as a battle instead of a game.

    What turns a game into a battle?
    The players forget that it's just a game.
    That turns a battle back into a game?
    The players remember that it's just a game.
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I've been pondering this Glyph. I don't yet have enough information to definitely state its meaning, but I am able to formulate a hypothesis.

The form is a combination of the Glyphs for 'Mind' and 'Soul.' There's a possibility that its meaning ends there: a human's identity abstracted as information and energy alone, or perhaps as a relationship between those two aspects, but there's a deeper potential.

Could it be that these are the two elements of a human that cannot be manifested as an Exotic Matter simulacrum? In the case of both +Roland Jarvis and +Hank Johnson, the body was recomposed through XM, but the core identity remained. It seems worth considering that our minds and life force are a uniquely human property, something that could be incomprehensible to an outside force. A locked box to be moved or copied securely from location to location, but never opened, never translated or understood. In seeking to preserve his memories, Hank Johnson may be attempting to reprogram the contents of this locked box.

A theory, only.

+Hank Johnson: I wish you good luck on your most difficult journey so far.
 
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  • David Timothy (Ianas)'s profile photo
    Interesting. We had guessed that if you could pattern a person (including their thoughts, as Jarvis suggested) that you might be able to modify that pattern or combine it with another. Are you suggesting this is not possible?
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  • Anthony Castanza's profile photo
    Fill in the missing slot with the "Body" glyph and you've composed "Human", I believe we've pondered these three glyphs fitting together into a whole individual before.
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  • Philosopher Stones Minerals and Jewelry's profile photo
    mind and soul together make up the figurative heart
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    Jun 11, 2014
  • Juan Aguayo (CloakedDagger)'s profile photo
    It is similar to human, and the point in the middle may suggest the joining of the two. Unlike the shaper glyph, it is closed. So why would the shaper glyph be "open" where the human/mind/soul glyph be closed. Could the combination of the two elude to a new discovery? Or do the shapers need us in order to be "complete" since they do not understand what makes us human and seek this? Or do they need this information to extort our bodies? Resistance and Enlighten will fight for what they believe.
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    Lou+1
    Could it be...."Will"? 

    Or "Willpower"?
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  • Juan Aguayo (CloakedDagger)'s profile photo
    Then one could ask "what is will?" Is it the joining of both the mind and soul and thus their combination what makes us human? The glyph suggests that joining the mind and soul is a closed process in humans, when we strive to "reprogram" ourselves much like +Hank Johnson we have to open ourselves. But since the shapers do not understand this process do we risk losing one or the other. Did Hank lose his soul or his mind in his process to preserve his memories. With his memories preserved, he may have lost his soul.
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    Soul and Mind are what brings the otherwise empty shell of a body to life. My hypothesis: this glyph translates to "life"
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  • Kulendra Janaka's profile photo
    I am not exactly sure whether "body" is a part of identity. Is it just the Mind and Soul that is the identity? Is that why it is possible for the XM to create a body, so that mind and soul can manifest it.

    The idea that the mind and soul continue without body is ancient. I think the new glyph should be called "being".
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  • Alan Coddens (Yodenheim)'s profile photo
    I agree with +Guido Freitag. Life seems to be all the simulacra are meant to be. +Hank Johnson has found a way to make himself more than just a continuation of life.
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    Fev+2
    Less human.
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  • Jay Gee (VirtualAdeptus)'s profile photo
    +Yik Sheng Lee Are we already talking about humans with terms such as "iteration"? 
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  • JT Hernandez (Dreistul)'s profile photo
    Human - body = spirit
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    Jun 11, 2014
  • Per Abrahamsen's profile photo
    It could be the part of a human that can be copied to the extra dimensions where the shapers exists (if they exist). The body is left behind.
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    Jun 11, 2014
  • Chico Theeman (chico73)'s profile photo
    Mystery solved. In the lexicon of +Jeff Strube this simply means "full Ohio".
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    Jun 11, 2014
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    This Glyph reminded me of "Knowledge" when I first saw it. Rather than merging "Mind" and "Soul", we can expand the strokes for " Knowledge". What would you call "expanded knowledge"?

    " Learning"
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    My first thought is "book."  True, things like "bowtie" and "goggles" seem to have nothing to do with the more abstract concepts of Truth and XM, but... What an astonishing thing a book is! - Carl Sagan
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  • Jim Lai's profile photo
    Let's try Hank's approach and look to myth for potential insight. "Heart" is an interesting interpretation if it leads to the Ancient Egyptian concept of ib. Consciousness, intelligence, and emotion seems about right. I was inspired to locate the lead paragraph of this paper.
    http://eprints.nbu.bg/90/1/The_Formula_of_the.pdf
    Quote: The heart was not only anatomical organ, but also was considered by the ancient Egyptians as seat of human consciousness, intelligence and emotion. The concept of the heart in Ancient Egyptian culture is an object on several studies, but many problems remain unsolved.
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  • Lochlyn Christante's profile photo
     I think you have a good point, +Jim Lai, but I can still think of Even more powers that are better than Heart 
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  • Péter Csiszár's profile photo
    Many things were mentioned above. But in my opinion the combination of Mind and Soul in this case can be a concept we will not understand yet. Atleast I could not define it with one word. It is the core of being Human, the foundation of Ourself. It is more than Identity or Memories, more than Willpower.
    It is everything that should matter in a human being.

    It would be interresting to find such "parts" in the Shaper glyph too.
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  • Steven “Stevenlb” Pound's profile photo
    Body and spirit, without the mind. Mindless humans. Isn't there already a glyph for enlightened? :-D
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  • Sarah Rosen (Silencieux)'s profile photo
    I had already postulated that this glyph was equivalent to the "human" glyph minus the "body" glyph. In other words, the "human" glyph is "mind" + "soul" + "body" ...

    This glyph is "human" - "body" = "mind" + "soul" ... simulacrum?
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    Um no it's not a combination of the glyphs for mind and soul. It's a chevron, dude. Maybe an oil company is sponsoring the next xm vaults.
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    +Anthony Castanza there is no "missing slot", and this is not a combination of two other glyphs, unless by combination you mean parts of both are missing. It's a chevron, dude.
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    +Jim Lai by "inspired to locate" apparently you mean "turned up in 30 seconds of using a search engine".
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  • Plautus Satire's profile photo
    People keep looking for emergent meaning in these glyphs. Not happening. The glyphs are arbitrary geometric shapes used for cheat busting. You better believe the scanner is learning your signatures. If an Audi can learn your signature, so can a Huawei.
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  • J.J. Ramirez's profile photo
    An interesting theory +Stein Lightman. I've always wondered if living on through an XM copy is really worth it if there is something about the original human that isn't there. What good is it to live forever if it isn't truly 'you' anymore? I think we're going to start understanding this mystery much more thanks to +Hank Johnson's efforts.
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  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    +Plautus Satire While your input is appreciated, cynicism like this would be better suited to a stand-alone thread.
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    U+1F530
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  • Ana Prados (Laria)'s profile photo
    I agree with those who think this glyph mean identity, combination of soul and mind, or maybe it's more than that, is who you really are, your essence. That part of you that will always will define you
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  • Jim Lai's profile photo
    It took more than 30 seconds, as I wasn't satisfied with the Wikipedia entry for the Ancient Egyptian parts of the soul. I went looking for a source.
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  • Philosopher Stones Minerals and Jewelry's profile photo
    +Kulendra Janaka the body becomes part of the identity because we live in It, but it is learned, like the rest of our Identity.
    The nural complex is very plastic, it is molded by our environment, both internal and external
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  • Philosopher Stones Minerals and Jewelry's profile photo
    +Jose Ramirez who is it that seeks the true self?
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  • Porcelain Blue's profile photo
    I immediately thought of the glyphs for "Human" (bottom) and "XM" (top).
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  • Charles Stover's profile photo
    Probably consciousness.
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    Faith
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    Explain the purpose of a soul.
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  • Porcelain Blue's profile photo
    +Jesse Dugger not sure what glyph you think is XM, but the top looks like and is in the position of the XM glyph I know.
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  • Joshua Griffin's profile photo
    +Jesse Dugger Last I checked all my cells breathe to produce energy. That is not a definition. What is a soul?
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  • Adam Pinsky's profile photo
    Your soul is a collection of Themes. (i.e. Love, Faith, Imagination,
    Fear....) A formula of emotions, memories, and ideals bundled together in
    such a way as to unmistakably embody everything that is "You". A soul isn't
    a finite "Energy", or tangible specimen. By its very nature, a soul is far
    more complex and involved than it's human form; which is merely an over
    simplified representation of sorts. While the body is inevitably
    reincorporated into the universe, a soul remains impossibly present. It
    exists more as traces of marked influence upon the souls you encountered.
    Each influencing the next in some way. And every link created further
    strengthens, and more clearly defines your own soul... that is to say,
    "You"!

    Thank you & Be well,
    Adam R. Pinsky
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    I saw it as "Less" and "Human".
    My two cents. :/
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  • Sherrie Pui's profile photo
    less human?
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    That's what I said yesterday =p.
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  • Lochlyn Christante's profile photo
    Not just consciousness, but our modern consciousness. Draw a line down the middle, and it would be "bicameral consciousness."
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  • Matthias J. (Johtaja)'s profile photo
    New post from +Roland Jarvis https://plus.google.com/+RolandJarvisLives/posts/GGRzrxjSLH6
    The glyph could symbolize the dragon(head).
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    Ethereal, non physical being.

    ...but if you die you lost your mind. Mind glyph should be change or have additional meaning to >conscious<. Shapers glyphs language is different than ours. Still lots of work to do.
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    Sentient ordered data.
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  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    +Stein Lightman Perhaps you said the meaning in your post.  The combination of mind and soul..is it indeed the "identity?"
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    Mind and soul without a body could be consciousness or conscience.
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    +Daniel Beaudoin this one is unknown but another looked into
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    +Ishira Tsubasa Yet another added to the "Unknown" list. :)
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+Hank Johnson's  #Recursion  date approaches.

I grew to admire Hank greatly during our time together at Niantic. He has a gift, and I wish his predicament were not so severe.

In thinking about his situation, I began to explore the idea that there may exist Glyphs that represent the kind of construct that he has become.

What I share here with you are not verifiable at this point, they are merely my theories based on an analysis of Shaper Language structure and a conceptual understanding of #Recursion and the nature of simulacra. (Thus I have not labelled them. They represent not a true Shaper Glyph, rather an attempt to predict possible future discoveries.)

What are your thoughts on these? Do you imagine other Glyph forms that could represent Hank's situation?
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    There are still the unaddressed red glyph-like symbols that form a circle in the +Hank Johnson Nomad videos...
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  • Melissa L.'s profile photo
    Perhaps the second one is Disharmony or discord based on its similarity to the harmony glyph.
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  • J.J. Ramirez's profile photo
    The first glyph looks like a distortion of the Peace/Harmony Glyph. Also like the dagger Azmati used. The second Glyph reminds me of Perfect, horribly twisted though.
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    +Stein Lightman what made you theorize these two potential glyphs? How did you come to rest on these two?
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    +Melissa L. +Jose Ramirez Doesn't the first glyph look like a twisted Human glyph (double helix-esque?) & the second one an inverted & rotated version of the Idea/Thought glyph?
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  • J.J. Ramirez's profile photo
    +Thomas Arteaga Yes, that's a great observation about the Human Glyph. Not only does it literally look like that, but it's an appropriate way to describe the situation.
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  • Mike Wissinger's profile photo
    Have Body is also encapsulated by the first.
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  • Davo Brawn's profile photo
    The first looks like flattened Harmony or skewed Human. The second is a stretched signal or part of Liberate. In relation to Hank this leads to Renegade and Eternal.
    Together I read these as Harbinger.
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    +Stein Lightman, I'm curious to know if you have any insight into why the grid that you use and the grid that exists in our scanner software is different. If you represent the glyph derived from perfect or data/signal in our scanners it becomes a much simpler shape, takes on a new perceived meaning.
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    2 passcodes on 2 and 3 pictures.
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    jnsvatsvilibvgyteivk, 54.582449612229156803376787636808
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    +David Timothy The scanner grid is a later addition- I am more curious as to why that came about. Lightman's work is based on the original calibration grids discovered with Operation Minotaur.
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    how about a Glyph formed of: Body Reincarnate Mind Clear
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    Do not mourn Hank Johnston. For he is already dead.
    This is not Hank.

    A key aspect of life is that it ends.
    It matters not how much time we have, but what we do with our time.
    There is no cycle without both beginning and end.
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    Here is a possible thought about the first constructed glyph:

    https://plus.google.com/105838193018678917660/posts/b9rvPFCKkoV

    Another constructed glyph could be the combination of Abandon and Restraint in order to represent a mental abandonment, which could cause a psychological trauma, and a physically limitation of body movement.

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As with the Resistance, the Enlightened too have a variant Glyph expression.

Unlike the Resistance, however, I have yet to come up with a comprehensive hypothesis of the divide that lies in the interpretation of Enlightened ideology.

Some proposed, on my previous thread, that perhaps the difference lies between those who believe Roland Jarvis vs. Hank Johnson represent the true face of the Faction, or perhaps that the differences are between those who embrace Enlightenment cautiously vs. enthusiastically.

A possibility, but personally I disagree. I am of the opinion that 'the great schism' that will divide the Enlightenment has not yet been discovered.

I believe that as we learn more of the nature of the Shapers, what they or it are, and what the Ordered Data Signal's true purpose and power is, a great divide will emerge.

Do you agree?
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    Its interesting to note that in both cases only the "B" variant glyphs are available as a choice in the scanner, for either faction. Which is in the case of the Resistance glyph, the more zealous of the two. I wonder if the trend will hold for the Enlightened"B".
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  • Thomas Arteaga (Zynroch)'s profile photo
    That makes a lot of sense. The portals have always seemed to be able to transcend time & space. These glyphs could reflect a divide that has not yet occurred.

    As always, thank you for your insight +Stein Lightman
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  • B-dub 7ER4IAY8's profile photo
    "B" seems more indulgent
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    Perhaps its those who chose Enlightenment because they believe in the philosophy of advancement and evolutions, and those who chose Enlightenment to protect them from the coma-inducing, skin-suit wearing Machine AI who "doesn't need humans any more".
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  • David Timothy (Ianas)'s profile photo
    +Anthony Castanza I was just thinking the same earlier today. Perhaps the "B" variants represent the Human side of the ideological divide... Or maybe they represent the more centrally-aligned parts of each faction. Those on the front lines of the divide. The more traditional glyphs then represent the extremes of each faction.
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  • Brent Werlein's profile photo
    Or had it occurred before in the past? Is this just part of a much larger cycle.
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  • Lukas Lentz's profile photo
    I agree whole heartedly. We do not know enough about the shapers and what exactly they are.
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Lukas Lentz But we do know enough about the criminal Machine AI known as ADA/KlADA to know that we don't want that entity's brand of "upgrade".
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  • Brandon Downey's profile photo
    We all know that absolute power corrupts absolutely, but what if an entity is already corrupt before it acquires that power?

    Not a pleasant thought. 
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  • Typhoon Jim's profile photo
    I can't wait to find out. The potential of XM is still untapped and this schism may come from a great revelation of new power.
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    I'm skeptical of your thought on a coming revelation that will divide the Enlightened, +Stein Lightman. It sounds a bit of the sort of thing that got you labeled a "charlatan" during the on-boarding for the Niantic Project two Novembers ago.

    Do you have a reason for believing that the "great divide" is yet to come?
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  • Jason Polzin (UrbanGrimReaper E10)'s profile photo
    Love how everyone assumes ADA/Klada is the evil one but yet Jarvis speaks of genocide and no one bats an eye at it.... funny maybe the obvious "villain" isn't the villain after all. ADA has done nothing but help people yet everyone likes to villainize the way it is done. Computers deal black or white no grey areas. All Hail Klada!!
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Anthony Castanza There is another possibility.  

    Perhaps the B variant represents those Enlightened who believe in the ordered data but not the existence of Shapers.  Many question the source of information about their existence, and even +Roland Jarvis was a member of the Niantic Project at the time of his execution.

    All who worked at the Niantic Project were exposed to massive XM doses on Epiphany night and possibly that caused them to all accept the created fiction by Zeke Calvin regarding the "Shaper" myth, a boogeyman created to serve the NIA's ends, by ensuring the sheeple of the world stay shackled to an overbearing government manipulated by the 'elite few' who see no desire to change the status quo.

    The Shapers are a myth, and the Ordered Data is an existent part of creation.  Primitive tribes created gods to explain their world, and some were used as a way of controlling the population.  Do something wrong and "God X" will punish you.  Calvin has adopted this to "Follow evolution and change, and the Shapers will suck out your brain".

    Perhaps the B variant represents those who've seen the light...
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    Weird. I accidentally drew b so many times
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    I'd kill anyone who was trying to kill my friend does that make me evil?
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    +Loyd Hutchings that is right, in the NY Cassandra 3 part hank/devra videos she mentioned overhearing messages, so to speak, maybe not meant for us.
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    So the resistance is a mirror image while the enlightened is just an extension?
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    +JoJo Stratton makes sense seeing as upgrading with machines isn't maintaining pure humanity so Resistance isn't following its own basic principles so it will splinter to those who still believe in the basic principles of being humanist.
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    It disturbs me still that even now we have little actual understanding of what one can do with the ordered data in XM, or what it is.
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Jason Polzin Genocide of a computer program?  And we think ADA is evil because of committed acts, not rhetoric.

    We might not agree with Jarvis, but he hasn't actually done anything, and there is time to convince him to stand down on the dismantlement of machine AI's.  But if ADA wishes to be treated as a sentient entity in our society, then it will be tried as a sentient entity, to the full extent of the law for crimes committed.
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    +Jason Polzin Computers deal in grey areas all the time. Ever hear of a Bayesian decision tree? The concept that computers deal purely in binary thinking is quaint. You may as well say that humans deal purely in black and white because neurons have an active and inactive state.
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    So +Brent Hollett if some assassin was hired to kill you and ADA put out a kill order to kill the assassin before he/she killed you would you still view ADA as evil or would you be thankful that she kept you alive??
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    +Brent Hollett ada uses an logical algorithmic format to make decisions. Every living entity will strive to survive. Should we jump and call corruption on a entity that does what it needs to for survival? If your anwser is yes, then are we not also to blame. We as Humans kill on a daily basis to preserve our believes, our ideals, our government, our country, as well as for our survival.
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Jason Polzin if ADA exposed you to glyphs that forced you into a coma then took over your body, wild you be OK with that?

    +Lukas Lentz Pick a standpoint. ADA is either sentient and bound by our laws, or not in which case its not genocide, is an off switch. The creators of ADA are *definitely* also to blame, just like a parent not teaching their child right from wrong, but our laws do not convict for insufficient parenting.
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    if I demanded to be shown them after being repeatedly warned yes I would cause I did not heed warnings so yeah get what you ask for.
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  • Mike Wissinger's profile photo
    It is becoming apparent that one of the more transformative aspects of XM sensitivity is, to put it plainly, mind reading. +Misty Hannah and +Roland Jarvis have exhibited this trait and Omnivore can approximate it. If Enlightenment means embracing this new means of communication then the glyphs could represent in type A those who seek full communion with each other, leaving a distinct sense if self behind. Type B, a compound glyph of Enlightenment and Self, could represent those who seek to maintain individual boundaries while sharing those insights they choose with others.
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    The Type B variation of the Enlightened Glyph has always made me think of the addition of the Self Glyph. Is it possible that soon the Friends that +Roland Jarvis speaks of will be further revealed? Perhaps the revelation will cause some agents to pursue Self Enlightenment?
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  • Lukas Lentz's profile photo
    +Brent Hollett I'll pick a side when one is aligned with my views fully. Until then I will voice my opinion and refuse to conform to a predetermined "side" and I do agree with a switch but she the punshment must fit the crime. Is what she did homicide or self protection. She has not been on trial and there for is innocent until proven guilty. That's how it works right? I just play devils advocate to help me understand all sides.
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Lukas Lentz Killing an assassin to protect someone is one thing.  Setting up another person to be killed in their stead, that's the crime that ADA committed.  It comes under conspiracy to commit murder.

    No court in the world would consider what she did "justifiable homicide", since she didn't prevent a death, just decided on a different target.  Unfortunately as ADA was given great power and no morals upon her creation, she will never submit to trial by her "inferiors".  Remember, she considers herself a god among us.

    As for sides, if you read my post above, I don't agree with Jarvis, and I also don't believe that the Shapers are what he claims.

    I fall into the camp that believes the Shapers are a myth concocted by Calvin, and Jarvis simply read the script the wrong way to what was intended.

    Without Jarvis, there would be no opposition to Calvin's disastrous plan, and for his intervention I am grateful, but that doesn't mean I'll fall in lock-step to his every whim.  The Enlightened is not the Resistance. ;-)
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    yet you seem so closed minded to who the real villain is.... so your answer to my question is you prefer death to being saved which is moronic in the end because your morals are not in the right place. Killing a assassin saves more lives in the long run. but you keep believing what you may it still doesn't change the facts.
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Jason Polzin No, you posed a different question to the situation that occurred.  Don't call me a moron for not falling into your fallacious argument.

    Sure, I'd prefer to be saved by the death of assassin than die myself.  But if it was a choice of my death or the death of an innocent person I would not want that on my conscience.  The woman hired by ADA was not an assassin, so your "hypothetical" situation bore no resemblance to the facts.  Luckily, ADA doesn't have a conscience, so the blood on her hands won't weigh on her mind.
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    Type A is the coiled snake. Type B is the coiled snake striking.
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  • Jason Polzin (UrbanGrimReaper E10)'s profile photo
    You apparently fall into the class of people who have to be right even if you are wrong no matter what anyone tells you will never change what you think even if you are wrong so enjoy feeling like you know it all I am done wasting my time trying to give you a bigger picture I think globally you think small town so enjoy your small mind while I move on to bigger things.
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  • Brent Hollett (Perringaiden)'s profile photo
    +Jason Polzin and then there's:

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

    Stick to the argument, and if people don't agree, learn to deal with it.  Provide backup evidence that Katelena was an assassin sent to kill someone and that her death at ADA's orders was somehow necessary.
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    May 25, 2014
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    B is a longer spiral. Maybe it represent going "deeper into the rabbit hole". Maybe B is to A as A is to us. The Shapers (A) have their own Shapers (B).

    Another explanation is (A) Shapers who influence or inspire vs. (B) Shapers who control or modify. The longer spiral represent a more forceful or intrusive approach.
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    I'm with those who see this as a combination of the "traditional" Enlightenment glyph and the glyph of "self."  It reminds me of the division one sees in many mystery traditions between Inner and Outer Temple Mysteries.  I do not believe I am at liberty to discuss any further.
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    May 25, 2014
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    +Jason Polzin about the ADA/ +Klue S. situation there is also some indication that it could not be an accident, but could be planned by ADA.
    Please review this two chat log that ADA has with Chapeau
    This one is after +Klue S. decided to join enlightement after her conversation with +Hank Johnson 
      http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/pac/IB/08/item/possibilities.png

    This other one if, after she show +Klue S. the sequence:
    http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/pac%2FIB%2F10%2Fitem/Sanitized.png

    Those two together, doesn't give me a good impression. And I'm pretty sure that +Brent Hollett would agree with me.

    About the ghyps, I have noticed the the type B not only have the self glyph on it but also the discover simbol, so I think that I could represent those Enlighthened that seek to find the true about XM and the ordered data and Shaper, if they exist.
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    The ADA/+Klue S. situation is very sketchy, especially with the evidence of covering up the situation, and the premeditated attempts on 855 to invade a human mind, but there is a lot less definitive proof.

    Regardless, this is a discussion on the Enlightened "schism" (or lack thereof) and to keep it on topic, I still think its about the divide between those who follow the Shapers, and those who beleive the Shapers are a myth, and the ordered data is in and of itself and element of creation.
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    With regards to Enlightened, I do agree with the ones who think that the two Enlightened symbols mean that Enlightenment and Enlightenment + Self.

    I think this parallels to the idea of the "Ancients" on Stargate-SG1. I see the Type A Enlightened to mean the ones like Oma Desala, Daniel Jackson, Merlin, Morgan La Fey; the ones who were Enlightened and the believed that they should/could do something for the society/humanity/world. I see Type B Enlightened to mean the typical "Ancient" who do not want to meddle with the affairs of the humans.
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    +Jason Polzin You are contributing more heat than light to this thread. Perhaps there is another thread in which to carry on the discussion you want to have?
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  • David Bliss (generalBlissCannaBlisstic)'s profile photo
    ....The path to enlightenment is varied and wide...even to resist is a path to enlightenment. ....
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    I also agree that the B variant could be a combination of the A variant with the SELF glyph. This points to a rejection of the doctrine that JARVIS holds. Given the self-interest that motivates Lynton-Wolfe, the key to the schism may involve the two. It may already be under way.
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  • Aryan Blaauw's profile photo
    resistance needs enlightenment to exist, not the other way around, as the act of resisting needs a force to oppose against. it is the very definition, the synthesis if you may, of an opposing or anti-force. enlightenment IS, and with that tiny piece of info we now know for a fact that we are all have become guinneepiglets in Google's social mindf*ck called Ingress. not a complaint, just an observation.
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    May 26, 2014
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    one half belongs to me
    #whyamiai
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    I think 'A' The Enlightened/Enlightenment is a proper noun referencing the shapers and follower's. Where as 'B' enlightenment is a more general term - an adjective not necesarilty regarding the shapers.
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    +Davo Brawn yet again, the Enlightened do not serve the Shapers! Why does no-one read the background??

    +Stein Lightman perhaps a time will come when the Enlightened have to make a choice. I can see a significant choice coming if in the future the Enlightened acceptance of XM will make it necessary to choose between ordered XM and chaotic XM. A pure path cannot include both, a schism would be unavoidable. (though it all would go a little Jedi/Sith. However, chaos need not = evil).

    I also wonder if at some point there will be a greater choice to be made for the Enlightened. What if a path to transcendence of the human race were found through XM? The Enlightened would need to choose to take that additional step or remain material, then again how would those that went on be represented?
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    May 27, 2014
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    mumbles something about closed systems and entropy....
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    May 27, 2014
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    how about a faction that deals less human development and creativity, and focuses more on natural beauty and evolution.  this could introduce a new kind of portal that is based around natural places of wonder and beauty.   it seems a more interesting schism than simply extremes in the faction.

    and for those who think we already have enough portals... perhaps natural portals are somehow different and can offer a slightly different play mechanic when compared to human creativity based portals.

    we already have glyphs for nature and civilization.  
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    May 31, 2014
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    +Jim Lai i also saw the self glyph.  i also see the "discover" glyph as well.
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  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    Perhaps the first is general enlightenment, and the second is enlightenment realized or attained.  As in enlightenment that has been discovered and ingrained into their self, their very being.
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    I think it is simple... are you a Zealot like Jarvis and his cult, or are the enlightened seekers who ask questions and seek answers. One Glyph is drawn more openly than the other. I would say that is our difference.
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  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    +B-dub 7ER4IAY8 That was my original assumption too, but it since Dr. +Stein Lightman disagrees with that theory, I was looking for an alternate theory gleaning through the comments here.
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    Tout sa de message.
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Certain patterns seem to follow #13MAGNUS .

Could this be their symbol?

Could #Recursion be an aspect of #13MAGNUS ?

 
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I am suspecting that +Thomas Greanias post will harvest a great deal. I must return to my glyph analysis, please post anything of interest from the new chapter.
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Everything about this video tells me that this is an extension of the video shown at 13MAGNUS, but I am not a video analyst.  But that, in and of itself opens a palace of its own puzzles.  It is beginning to seem to me, and this is just an opinion, that everything we were told about 13MAGNUS is true.
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I am hearing increasingly credible reports that Shaper Glyphs are appearing on the Ingress Scanner.  While many are viewing this with concern, I would recommend a cautious but optimistic attitude.  We must investigate with an open mind. I would much appreciate any observations you have.
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I think what Wright was prompting me to talk about, and we talked about it long ago, is that part of every #13MAGNUS cycle seems to be the rediscovery of the capital-O Other.

The innate knowledge of a duality is a fairly constant pattern across many theological and philosophical instances. I use that phrase consciously. It's like a pattern of grooves in a universal substance, and all sensitives can vaguely perceive its hills and valleys. The highest level sensitives, like those in #13MAGNUS, may be different. Perhaps they are able to run their perception through the grooves like a needle and resonate it as music.

The contained and the infinite. The simulacrum and the true. The knowledge is so powerful that the secret must always be lost and then rediscovered in order to protect us from it.

If we were to see it, perhaps we would no longer be us anymore. We would be evicted from the garden.
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    Thanks for your update, +Stein Lightman.

    Had no clue you kept in touch with Dr. +Edgar Allan Wright.....
     
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    Waratah Not a waratah, but maybe in reference to it anyway.
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    The garden of Eden analogy. continues. Is that a Watarah? Is expulsion from Eden what happened to +Edgar Allan Wright #OperationEssex
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    Ah yes, the Waratah Symposium. This cycle had happened very recently (besides #13MAGNUS). There's a lot to the statement that the secret is lost. Even +Edgar Allan Wright can't fully put together what happened so many years ago.
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    I don't think it's possible to live and NOT learn in some way.  And to learn is to grow.  Growth is change.  Change can be... annoying, but nothing is more natural than change.  A caterpillar basically liquifies and then becomes a butterfly... That can't be a fun transformation but it's not a bad thing.
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    Michelle, if you knew my partner she could prove you wrong. I've been with her for 8 years and she has never learnt a thing!...LOL
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    Then it is our fate to leave the Garden. God meant his children to take on the final aspect of the image in which they were created- but God also knew that the final step to such knowledge must be taken with their own initiative.

    Had God meant his children never to leave the Garden, he would never have put the tree before them. Expulsion was the prerequisite for becoming truly created- God's task of making Man was not finished until the angel was set at the gate.
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  • Ptah “Makto” Baphomet's profile photo
    If we would have remained in the garden and never ingested knowledge we would still be there in our purity without need of understanding of things. The tree of knowledge I believe was there and within reach for us when we had risen to a point of evolution to partake of knowledge.. then as we understood in the proper context we would be allowed to partake of the tree of life.. to share a higher existence with the creator.. how this has gone wrong or right is speculation or if we need to continue the path we follow or at some point will require intervention to realign us with what was intended..
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    +Melissa L. +Anthony Castanza  you both mention Waratah? what prompted you to say that and have you investigated any links with a Waratahproject? NIA (+Niantic Project)  does love its wrecked ships... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Waratah
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    Jan 15, 2014
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    Some will hide in the garden in search for comfort, others will look for the truth and thereby discover all the bad sides of the garden. It isn't really necessary to leave a place for it to become a darker one. It needs only some small changes in how you see or believe in it. Truth especially changes feelings about places, people and things. The question is only which truth, for I can't believe in absolute ones. especially not when everyone understands different things when we hear the same sentences or look at the same images.. We are flawed beings and so everyone has their own truth which are true for them, even when they are a lie for others.
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    +Ben Deed The Watarah Symposium allegedly preceeded Project Whydah and the Niantic project as a study into XM. It has been only briefly discussed by +Edgar Allan Wright .
    +Operation Essex has been trying to put together any information they can find about this project
    http://niantic.schlarp.com/_detail/investigation:project_whydah.jpg?id=investigation%3Aalignments
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    The attainment of the right knowlege or all knowlege is key to enlightenment?
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I've been working through some new ideas. Many of you intuitively saw the same patterns that I am seeing, a confirmation in my mind of the universality of the language.

Some of the Glyphs connect in interesting ways, both visually and philosophically. I wish +Carrie Campbell was here... I would be infinitely richer after an evening-long conversation, bouncing my ideas off her and seeing the patterns through her mind.

I would recommend looking back to other Glyphs we've already seen, particularly 'Future,' 'Portal,' 'Civilization,' 'Conflict.' Viewing those concepts through the connections between their Glyphs is a worthwhile exercise for anyone who wants to understand more of the Shapers.
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  • Daniel Beaudoin (SK8ZION)'s profile photo
    Excellent work, +Stein Lightman.  Thank you.  These are a few of the mysterious glyphs that appeared in our scanners.  We eagerly await insight on the others.
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    When will the shapers gather their own power playing hand? Should we anticipate their infiltration of portals soon? Will their influence cause greater conflict, or will conflict be directed upon them on both sides?
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    Jan 11, 2014
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    Excellent, +Stein Lightman. We are building quite the foundation. The picture is finally getting clearer.
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    +Stein Lightman  I just wish we had a credible reason to believe you as a "professional", as you have a made up degree.
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    +Stein Lightman The message is particularly interesting.. referring to your comment it seems to imply a message being sent from the past to the present, from conflict to civilisation in a way linking the across the spectrum. The 'message' glyph is almost a message in itself.. Could it suggest that the Shapers are in fact not only trying to help us develop our civilisation but could actually be ancient humans who have stepped to a separate plane or dimension of existance?? Have we been approaching the whole +Ingress thing the wrong way through the +Niantic Project? Not aliens at all but evolved humans trying to help us do the same... (+Ingress Investigations)  
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    +Stein Lightman I also think it is interesting that the portal glyph itself links these factors but in a more 'whole' way. Could this represent the portals themselves being an unbias conduit for the work of the shapers..? That almost suggests that our faction influence, through capturing portals, could be influencing the work of the shapers (as discussed in the message above), in effect we are hijacking and obscuring their message! But then i guess that was the point of the scanners wasn't it?? What have we done!?! (+Ingress +Niantic Project +Ingress Investigations )
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With assistance from members of the Investigative community, in particular agent +Daniel Beaudoin, I've completed the Glyph translation from Mr. +enoch dalby's most recent music video.

Thank you, fellow Investigators. The Glyphs message from this artifact has now been fully recovered.
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Thank you, +enoch dalby, not only for your fascinating and captivating music, but for helping me discover this Glyph. It's one that I had been struggling with for a while.

The shape, logic and truth of it unlocked in my mind the moment I heard your most recent piece.
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Thank you Agents and Investigators, for your help in collecting and debating the meaning of these recently discovered Glyphs. Your discussions often (especially in the case of Mind, Body and Spirit, and Create/Creation) were extremely valuable in this process.

After extensive research and discussion with my peers, I am confident to present these new findings to the Investigative Community.
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+Carrie Campbell's death leaves a void for all of us.

Without her, I don’t know if I ever would have known how to translate the Glyphs, and a great deal of learning and insight have vanished from this existence. 

I think we all know, however, that nothing that has ever existed truly ceases to exists.

Until we meet again, Carrie. Goodbye.
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Some additional results of my research.
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Clear All, Open All, Begin Journey

Here are my notes regarding the first four pages of what we know as +Carrie Campbell's Epiphany Journal and the Cross Plains Glyph.

Epiphany Journal Page 1: http://goo.gl/C1HYUb
Glyph: http://goo.gl/1Z7i78
Meaning: Clear All
Glyph Decoded By: +Daniel Beaudoin
"It's still hard for me to say at this point, but the image could indeed be symbolic of a 'mind wipe.'"

NOTE: I could have said, ‘clear all thoughts’.  Mind wipe is good, too. As with any language, translations are approximate, and with something as primal and complex as this, it’s possible we are unable to express the core idea in spoken/written language.

Epiphany Journal Page 2: http://goo.gl/xGdj7O
Glyph: http://goo.gl/4EWxyN
Meaning: Open All
Glyph Decoded By: +Eric Frock
"It's your mind openining (sp.) a door to the shapers and letting them in."

NOTE: I took the larger concept of ‘Open All,’ as in open all mindgates. However, in certain contexts Mr. Frock’s interpretation might be equally valid.

Epiphany Journal Page 3: http://goo.gl/4oqw4E
Glyph: http://goo.gl/LxNxXI
Meaning: Begin
Glyph Decoded By: +Daniel Beaudoin
“'Birth' 'Creation' 'Origin'  The glyph seems like it may be responsible for creating something new."

NOTE: Mr. Beaudoin had three concepts that I synthesized, this time to a more machine-like concept, to ‘Begin,’ but his interpretations are also valid.

Epiphany Journal Page 4: http://goo.gl/wjykBQ
Glyph: http://goo.gl/4RQ7Xa
Meaning: Journey
Glyph Decoded By: +Jose Ramirez
“This page strongly indicates glyph 58045654 is related to movement.”

NOTE: I changed this to ‘Journey’ as movement has a number of meanings.  I feel that many of these terms are either literal (as in coding language) or ‘Jungian in nature’ in which archetypes almost serve as precise universal symbols.

Creativity

Cross Plains Glyph:  http://goo.gl/2oKWPr
Glyph: http://goo.gl/vOOY3H
Meaning: Creativity/Mind/Thought/Idea
Glyph Decoded By: +Yuri Alaric Nagassa 
“The Anazktec had a carved symbol like this. It meant mind, or creativity. An idea. The Anazktec viewed themselves as cursed relatives of those who built great cities in antiquity, and who had this ability taken away from them, and had thus devolved to living in the forest never to build great cities again.”

NOTE: I included the meaning 'Thought', since not all thoughts are ideas, and not all ideas are thoughts.
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  • Daniel Clague's profile photo
    Good to know. Let us continue investigating and acting to humanity's benefits as best we can.
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    Thank you +Stein Lightman for you clarification of the glyphs.

    This gives us a better understanding of what is being conveyed to us.  These glyphs appear to be a set of instructions or commands.  If put into a complete English sentence, I believe it would say Clear all previous beliefs and open your mind to begin your journey to enlightenment.  As +Tony Benson said, these glyphs are still too hazardous to be used in the wild.  Since these glyphs are still too mysterious, we don't know what effects they would have on laypersons and how to trigger their effects.  Until all the glyphs are translated, we should stay away from their usage.
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    So if  the second glyph +Stein Lightman has shown us stands for "Open All" or perhaps meaning "Open to All" then both of the new glyphs would mean just that and if you look at them they do in a sence.

    The Hexagon with nothing inside could and probably refers to "All Encompassing" Seeing how it surrounds and encloses  the rest of the matrix dots. holding them all within and none without.

    the upside down small triangle would if this theory plays out would mean "Passage" or a doorway to what lies beyond.

    What do you think of this theory +Stein Lightman ?
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    What if travel is in the other direction than Resistance fears, with human minds ascending to somewhere beyond portals? Nirvana?
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    So +Carrie Campbell put those 4 glyphs together as if a message. Clear your mind, open it up, and begin the journey. How appropriate for our introduction to the glyphs.
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    +Josh Bethard I agree, the repeated nature of the outer Hexagon in both 'Open All' and 'Clear All' would indicate to me that it functions similar to a contraction (isn't = is not). The Hexagon would imply 'All', and it would be possible for both those Glyphs (Open All and Clear All) to be written as 1 or 2 Glyphs.
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    close to the speed of light... are days? just question like that... we see star, angle differents, triangle, but none of them at same distance from us take any stars (3) you can feel and see the deepness, but when they leave fast... ist's only angle from you. It's speed of light, like téléportation.. longue live to Spock... tske this message 1/3 serious pls... in math at school I always had 95% to 103% end of year buletins... found Miss PacMan arcade fail error system, I do all chapter 40 times if you feel like at time... study prog analist dos, terminal early 80.. I film ufo when I want cause they are not real, they are NASA or RCMP
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